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Thanks Nutsy,
You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom |
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Nav, you're better at playing smart than you are at playing dumb! What makes you think he's "playing" dumb? DSK |
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(Now I remember why I normally don't respond to webtv idiots.)
Because you're gay? RB |
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Nutsy,
Gays die also! Horse-fat doesn't any human, strait or gay that won't die. OT |
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Death of the body may be predetermined
That's anybody said, Joe. Thanks for the back-up! RB |
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You're Right Joe,
BUT!! And the big But; We are talking about humans that received knowledge and EVIL. You have to keep up, when dealing with Katie. Remember, We're talking about Creation using her references and when they don't mesh they become mystical stores. We must use Humans. Joe, the human life form does die, it is pre-determined. Every HUMAN dies. Even CHRIST died on the Cross when he took the human form. All humans die. Ole Thom |
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Not if he's already brain dead...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Nutsy, Gays die also! Horse-fat doesn't any human, strait or gay that won't die. OT |
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Prove it.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul
hypothesis. Cheers Jonathan Ganz wrote: Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Navigator wrote in message ...
It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul hypothesis. Tell me more Nav, show me evidence. Joe Cheers Jonathan Ganz wrote: Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. |
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You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what
you think. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Navigator wrote in message ...
It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul hypothesis. What is soul Nav? If you are not sure there is a soul and wish evidence then just look at yourself or a friend or an animal whatever. Now when something dies it no longer moves or animates or breathes. So is not the breath evidence of soul? As a matter of fact the Greek word for spirit or soul is pneuma which is the word for breath. If the body is not animated then there is no soul in it. Matter is dead without soul residing in it. Joe Cheers Jonathan Ganz wrote: Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. |
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So you are saying someone confused 'soul' with exhaled air? So if you
pump exhaled air back into the dead they should reanimate??? Cheers Joe wrote: Navigator wrote in message ... It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul hypothesis. What is soul Nav? If you are not sure there is a soul and wish evidence then just look at yourself or a friend or an animal whatever. Now when something dies it no longer moves or animates or breathes. So is not the breath evidence of soul? As a matter of fact the Greek word for spirit or soul is pneuma which is the word for breath. If the body is not animated then there is no soul in it. Matter is dead without soul residing in it. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what you think. I insist on nothing johnathan. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. No I do not, were did I condone anyone? You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. First it's not my ideals, it just part of what Ive seen and experienced. I did not start any of the Faith, god, religious threads, but i will put my 2 cents in just as you will. Im not big on religion, Ive been to church enough to count all the times on my fingers. Why, dont know. Perhaps to bring hope to someone that needs it. I'm not making money off the ideals that for sure. You stated the messages I were given were the 42 virgins BS, I told you the truth of what happened to me and what I think. Nothing to get upset over. If you think it was a fantasy thats ok most people will. After all what im telling you is something that does not happen very often. But it has happened to enough people that you cant dismiss it as mass hyesteria. Many people feel that past loved one guide and help them. Ive seen it first hand, so I will say what I see and felt regardless of what others think. I stand by what I know happened. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Joe asked;And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you?
The only way that it could be "foisted" upon anyone is if you tied them up in a chair or put them in a cage with their hands taped to thier side so they couldn't cover their ears. In an open discussion group, having an opinion that is different than someone else's is not "foisting"...and by the same token, a similar claim could be made by the opposite camp that they are being "foisted" upon to accept something they do not believe....what's good for the goose is good for the gander, ya know. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Joe;
The Name of my boat is "Pneuma" It means, unseen force or spirit. You know I believe in a Presence after human death. I don't think we are meant to have Knowledge of Presence. Not in our Human form. We don't know why we have water but we do. For centuries we've had it. It is a fact. It's there,yet we haven't produced a single gallon on our own from scratch. We can't explain why we have a liveable atmosphere but we do, In spite of everything we have done to destroy it No one knows why but it is there. There are many,many things that exist without our knowledge. Things that are maintained at a proper level without our understanding. "PNEUMA" is that condition maintained by unseen, unknown spirits. There isn't any good reason why you or I should dought that Pneuma isn't made up of Spirits that once had Human Form? Proof, I have none. Belief, ah yes, that I have And: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom SV Pneuma Gulf 29 Pilothouse Sloop |
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Navigator wrote in message ...
So you are saying someone confused 'soul' with exhaled air? So if you pump exhaled air back into the dead they should reanimate??? No because someone else pumped it in. I agree when someone else here said your better at acting smart than you are at acting dumb. Joe Cheers Joe wrote: Navigator wrote in message ... It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul hypothesis. What is soul Nav? If you are not sure there is a soul and wish evidence then just look at yourself or a friend or an animal whatever. Now when something dies it no longer moves or animates or breathes. So is not the breath evidence of soul? As a matter of fact the Greek word for spirit or soul is pneuma which is the word for breath. If the body is not animated then there is no soul in it. Matter is dead without soul residing in it. Joe |
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In article , Thom
Stewart wrote: Joe; The Name of my boat is "Pneuma" It means, unseen force or spirit. You know I believe in a Presence after human death. I don't think we are meant to have Knowledge of Presence. Not in our Human form. We don't know why we have water but we do. For centuries we've had it. It is a fact. It's there,yet we haven't produced a single gallon on our own from scratch. Yeah, we have, been done for years. Combine hydrogen & oxygen and you get H2O. Easy. PDW |
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Fine and dandy, and this has what to do with sailing?? We don't
need to hear the religious side from you. We can tune in to listen to Bush. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what you think. I insist on nothing johnathan. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone who doesn't believe like you do. No I do not, were did I condone anyone? You promote your ideas here for what reason? I'm still not getting it. First it's not my ideals, it just part of what Ive seen and experienced. I did not start any of the Faith, god, religious threads, but i will put my 2 cents in just as you will. Im not big on religion, Ive been to church enough to count all the times on my fingers. Why, dont know. Perhaps to bring hope to someone that needs it. I'm not making money off the ideals that for sure. You stated the messages I were given were the 42 virgins BS, I told you the truth of what happened to me and what I think. Nothing to get upset over. If you think it was a fantasy thats ok most people will. After all what im telling you is something that does not happen very often. But it has happened to enough people that you cant dismiss it as mass hyesteria. Many people feel that past loved one guide and help them. Ive seen it first hand, so I will say what I see and felt regardless of what others think. I stand by what I know happened. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So what. Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss not mine. I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5 things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why not after your body is gone? Your body just water and chemicals. And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just don't foist it on me. Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much. Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as heat and motion. Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion. That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up. What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's beautiful. I have 42 virgins? No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that let them know. I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream the night he died. One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders vanished. One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle. This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her. I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as revealing in time. We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our futures... Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I would of gotten thru it without his messages. You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better. And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass! Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Prove it. The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it only changes form. Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used? My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Thom Stewart) wrote in message ... Thanks Nutsy, You answered Kate very well. Ole Thom No so fast Ol Thom, Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on. Joe |
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Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are non-religious
are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Joe asked;And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you? The only way that it could be "foisted" upon anyone is if you tied them up in a chair or put them in a cage with their hands taped to thier side so they couldn't cover their ears. In an open discussion group, having an opinion that is different than someone else's is not "foisting"...and by the same token, a similar claim could be made by the opposite camp that they are being "foisted" upon to accept something they do not believe....what's good for the goose is good for the gander, ya know. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Jon said: Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are
non-religious are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. Ah...censure them... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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No, not at all. I said turn down the volume, not shut up.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Jon said: Well, you see the problem is the volume. The people who are non-religious are generally pretty laid back, quite, taking it all in. The people here who claim to be religious go on and on and on. Turn down the volume, then I don't have a problem with it. Ah...censure them... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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WELL SAID SIR!
CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... | Joe; | | The Name of my boat is "Pneuma" It means, unseen force or spirit. | | You know I believe in a Presence after human death. I don't think we are | meant to have Knowledge of Presence. Not in our Human form. | | We don't know why we have water but we do. For centuries we've had it. | It is a fact. It's there,yet we haven't produced a single gallon on our | own from scratch. We can't explain why we have a liveable atmosphere but | we do, In spite of everything we have done to destroy it No one knows | why but it is there. | | There are many,many things that exist without our knowledge. Things that | are maintained at a proper level without our understanding. | | "PNEUMA" is that condition maintained by unseen, unknown spirits. There | isn't any good reason why you or I should dought that Pneuma isn't made | up of Spirits that once had Human Form? Proof, I have none. Belief, ah | yes, that I have | | And: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" | | Ole Thom | SV Pneuma | Gulf 29 Pilothouse Sloop | |
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message | Yeah, we have, been done for years. Combine hydrogen & oxygen and you | get H2O. Easy. Sure... we know that now....... 100 years ago it would be a problem. It's still a problem now really because I haven't figured out how to do that in my back yard.... which is why I have to "witch" a well. Can you spell "aquifer"..... ???? CM |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... | Thom asked: | Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge | | No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free | will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a | conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely.... That's Wrong! With Knowledge comes responsibility.... that's the item we are having a problem with.... not the actual knowledge. I believe everyone will do good if given the opportunity to do so..... and many will do "evil" if not given the opportunity to do good. Your responsibility is to allow everyone to have the option to do good...... that involves removing self interest and pride from the equation.... a difficult option since it conflicts with survival and the Darwinian Theory of Evolution ...... is altruism a fallacy? You live your life as a direct mirror image of what you put out...... I like you Kitty... your heart is in the right place and you wish the best for everyone.... that is what will be reflected back to you..... that's the pay-off!! CM |
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In article , Capt. Mooron
wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message | Yeah, we have, been done for years. Combine hydrogen & oxygen and you | get H2O. Easy. Sure... we know that now....... 100 years ago it would be a problem. It's still a problem now really because I haven't figured out how to do that in my back yard.... which is why I have to "witch" a well. Can you spell "aquifer"..... ???? Well, if you stacked all the ice up in winter, you'd have no probs with water supply in what passes for summer. Simple :-) Sort of point is, a lot of stuff we don't know how to do today might fall into the same category in another 100 years, so labelling stuff impossible unless done by some higher power is kinda silly IMO. Donal's comments WRT time for evolution are plain dumb. Even molecular biologists can't guarantee results, the x-over of plant genes to/from bacteria and virii is really interesting and while people thought it'd happen, the speed of it happening has been a real eye-opener. Genengineered plant traits are defining cases. PDW |
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Combining them is the easy part. Separating is the costly part.
Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Peter Wiley" wrote in message | Yeah, we have, been done for years. Combine hydrogen & oxygen and you | get H2O. Easy. Sure... we know that now....... 100 years ago it would be a problem. It's still a problem now really because I haven't figured out how to do that in my back yard.... which is why I have to "witch" a well. Can you spell "aquifer"..... ???? CM |
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