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Navigator May 18th 04 11:14 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 


OzOne wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E401,00.html

DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate John Kerry is refusing to back the
US-Australia trade deal.

The reason we ended up in Iraq....trade.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.


What did you expect. It seems to becoming SOP of the US to screw it's
allies.

Cheers


Donal May 18th 04 11:56 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E401,00.html

DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate John Kerry is refusing to back the
US-Australia trade deal.

The reason we ended up in Iraq....trade.


I notice on the same site that Australia is banning smoking outdoors!!
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E421,00.html

What kind of country do you live in???




Regards


Donal
--




Donal May 19th 04 11:22 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:56:51 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


What kind of country do you live in???

A country where some inconsiderate smokers..most of them....just drop
their butts on the ground.
61 butts sifted from 4sq metres of sand on the beach is no laughing
matter.


I get it! You live in the sort of country where people will sift 4 sq
metres of sand to count the ciggarette butts!!

How sad?


Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?



Regards


Donal
--




Scott Vernon May 20th 04 01:11 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
"Donal" wrote


I notice on the same site that Australia is banning smoking outdoors!!
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E421,00.html


Good on ya, mates.

We'll do that here, eventually.

SV



Scott Vernon May 20th 04 01:13 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Hey Ozzy, we're shipping an Alcoa aluminum mill to Oz this month. They said
there's cheap labor there.

Scotty


OzOne wrote in message ...
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E401,00.html

DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate John Kerry is refusing to back the
US-Australia trade deal.

The reason we ended up in Iraq....trade.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Scott Vernon May 20th 04 01:24 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
On the paper work; Alcoa Australia Rolled Products Pty Limited, Fairfield
NSW & Yennora, NSW

Know where that is?

Scotty


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:13:02 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

Hey Ozzy, we're shipping an Alcoa aluminum mill to Oz this month. They

said
there's cheap labor there.

Scotty


They did?

Where's it going Queensland?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Scott Vernon May 20th 04 01:46 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
well, I guess it's cheap compared to here. Already sent mills to China,
Brazil, and Russia (or one of those small weird name countries that used to
make up USSR).

BTW, working with 2 Ozzies here, boy they talk (and walk) funny.
SV


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:24:36 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

On the paper work; Alcoa Australia Rolled Products Pty Limited,

Fairfield
NSW & Yennora, NSW

Know where that is?

Scotty


Yep, sure do, both about 30 mins drive from here.

No cheap labour out there, strong union membership.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Navigator May 20th 04 01:47 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Sounds like an armpit...

Cheers

Scott Vernon wrote:

On the paper work; Alcoa Australia Rolled Products Pty Limited, Fairfield
NSW & Yennora, NSW

Know where that is?

Scotty


OzOne wrote in message ...

On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:13:02 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:


Hey Ozzy, we're shipping an Alcoa aluminum mill to Oz this month. They


said

there's cheap labor there.

Scotty


They did?

Where's it going Queensland?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Scott Vernon May 20th 04 01:53 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Where Ozzy lives?


"Navigator" wrote in message
...
Sounds like an armpit...




katysails May 21st 04 03:06 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Navigator May 21st 04 04:42 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 


katysails wrote:

Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...


Leave cretins out of it, they can't help their genetics.

Cheers


katysails May 21st 04 09:24 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
MC stated: Leave cretins out of it, they can't help their genetics.

You have congenital knowledge of cretins?

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Donal May 22nd 04 12:27 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Donal asked:
Which is more abrasive - Sand, or a cigarette butt?

Cigarette butts kill wildlife...they're nasty...foul....and people who

don't
dispose of them in the proper receptacles are cretins...


Almost everything that we do has an effect on the environment.

The US is responsible for one quarter of fossil fuel that is burned on this
planet, and you have one thirtieth of the world's population. That means
that you generate seven times more pollution per person than the rest of the
world's inhabitants.

Do you really think that cigarette butts will have the same impact on the
environment as Global Warming?

Your big fridges, car engines, air-conditioning, TV's, etc have a far bigger
effect on the environment than cigarette butts.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.




Regards

Donal
--




Thom Stewart May 22nd 04 01:41 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Oz,

I tried hard to stay out of this but the spirit is to weak.

Scotty, it's not the labor cost. It's the pollution cost. Aussies drew a
bye on the "Kobi Accord" The cost of modification to the new Eniv. code
is shutting down many plants in this country. Still has time down-under.

OT


katysails May 22nd 04 02:50 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Donal,
You are stereotyping the lifestyle here. I have a smallish
refrigerator...14 cubic ft...we drive cars that get 30 mpg and we buy them
new and drive them until they die...we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...You don't have a TV? We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room that we very
seldom use except when the grandkids are here and want to play with the Play
Station...I do my dishes by hand, di not have an insinkerator or a trash
compacter...we recycle all out pop bottles and reuse out plastic milk
cartons until they literally are no longer usable...Think is, most of my
friends live the same way...You can't judge us from tv shows....just like we
shouldn't assume that you are all like Hyacinth Bucket or Benny Hill. And I
live in a brick house, not glass...it's much more energy efficient and you
don't lose all that heat through the glass.....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Lady Pilot May 22nd 04 03:34 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"katysails" wrote:

we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...


What are the summer temps where you live? There's no way I would get in my
black vehicle (locked up) at 116 deg in the summer and NOT use the air
conditioning. Maybe I spoiled or something...g

LP (maybe I need hormones?)



SAIL LOCO May 22nd 04 06:30 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days a summer

That's because you only have 5 days of summer.

We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room

If you don't have at least a small home theater audio system to use when
watching movies your missing out on loads of fun.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

katysails May 22nd 04 12:37 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
LP asked:
What are the summer temps where you live?

80's with humidity in the 70's + range....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails May 22nd 04 12:39 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Loco observed: If you don't have at least a small home theater audio system
to use when
watching movies your missing out on loads of fun.

We go to the movie theater to watch movies....the only time I used our VCR
in the past year was when I had to preview a bunch of in-service tapes on
sexual harassment....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Bobsprit May 22nd 04 12:57 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
If you don't have at least a small home theater audio system to use when
watching movies your missing out on loads of fun.


Not just fun. There is a lot of fine cinematic art, music and shows that come
to life on a proper system. It's not about being bigger or louder. With a
little TV and it's small speaker you simply miss out on a lot of what the
artists worked so hard to create. I'm using DTS and SACD and I can't believe
what I was missing when I was listening to classical music before. In some
respects it can be better than being at the live show!

RB

Bobsprit May 22nd 04 01:22 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
We go to the movie theater to watch movies...


Not a well rounded cultural statement is it? There are many wonderful films
that are not showing up at the local theatres. DVD is one of the few ways to
see them. Also: If you enjoy music, a home theatre is stunning to say the
least.

RB

SAIL LOCO May 22nd 04 04:40 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
We go to the movie theater to watch movies....the only time I used our VCR
in the past year .

A brand name DVD player can be had for $119. Picture would be much better than
tape and Dolby 5.1 digital soundtrack is tossed in for free. Save the VCR for
watching old birthday parties.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Donal May 23rd 04 12:11 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Donal,
You are stereotyping the lifestyle here. I have a smallish
refrigerator...14 cubic ft...


That is twice the size of our refrigerator!!!!



we drive cars that get 30 mpg and we buy them
new and drive them until they die...


Mine 33mpg, my wife's 41mpg(AFAIK).


we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days


We don't have air conditioning at home.


a summer and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...


I admit that I use the air conditioning in the car.


You don't have a TV?


I hardly watch it any more. I spend three hours at the piano, I watch the
news, then I come here.


We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room that we very
seldom use except when the grandkids are here and want to play with the

Play
Station...I do my dishes by hand,


So do we.


di not have an insinkerator or a trash
compacter...


Neither do we.

we recycle all out pop bottles and reuse out plastic milk
cartons until they literally are no longer usable...Think is, most of my
friends live the same way...


We sort our refuse. Paper goes in the "paper" bin, plastics go in the
"plastic" bin ... etc.


You can't judge us from tv shows..


I don't. 25% of energy consumed by humans is used in the US. I didn't
get this figure from tv shows. You use 7 times more energy than the rest of
the planet's occupants.

Your fridge is twice the size of mine, your car is a gas guzzler compared to
my wife's car.... you have air-conditioning.

Do you really think that my (bio-degradable) cigarette butts are doing more
harm to the environment than your luxurious lifestyle?


Regards


Donal
--





Donal May 23rd 04 12:24 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 00:27:12 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


Do you really think that cigarette butts will have the same impact on the
environment as Global Warming?

Your big fridges, car engines, air-conditioning, TV's, etc have a far

bigger
effect on the environment than cigarette butts.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


Oh OK, so we just ignore the plastic bags, fish nets and allthe other
crap because we have some bigger issues?

Sure Donal...sure.


I was talking about bio-degradable cigarette butts. Are you really stupid
enough to compare them to plastic bags?


Like many people, you like to look down your nose at people who have a bad
habit that you don't have. It makes you feel superior.

Well, let me tell you that there is no end to this kind of thinking. Fat
people are also in a minority, and already there is talk about the drain
that they place on the health service. Sports fishermen are a minority, and
we are seeing discussion about the unnecessary pain caused to fish. We all
engage in pursuits that have an effect on the environment. Once you join
the "something must be done about it" brigade, you guarantee that one of
your own pursuits will eventually be banned.


Regards


Donal
--




Donal May 23rd 04 12:58 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
Hmmmm, those smokers can do whatever they like Donal.
Unfortunately they seem incapable when smoking on out beaches of
disposing of their butts sensibly.
They have ben banned as a direct result of their own actions


Nonsense!! They have been banned because people like you like to feel
superior!

You're going to be next, Oz.

You will find that you enjoy something that the majority of people don't
approve of.

Perhaps you like to drive an inefficient car?? Over here, we already have
a sliding tax scale that penalises gas guzzlers. Each year we get a step
nearer to a total ban. Soon, anything over three litres will be banned.
After that, two litres will be the maximum.

Regards


Donal
--




Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam May 23rd 04 01:54 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:24:25 +0100, something compelled "Donal"
, to say:

Sports fishermen are a minority, and
we are seeing discussion about the unnecessary pain caused to fish.


The pain caused to the fish, while perhaps regrettable, is
entirely necessary. Else how are we to drag them from the water
and cut out their guts prior to eating them?

katysails May 23rd 04 02:55 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
A brand name DVD player can be had for $119.

Well, then we've saved $119.00. If we had one, we wouldn't use it...except
for Star Trek reruns and American Idol, we barely watch tv...

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



katysails May 23rd 04 02:58 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

That is twice the size of our refrigerator!!!!

What? You have a box? Our fridge is small....Y think also that you guys
grocery shop different;y than we do... we buy a week or two's worth at a
time and don't go to the store every day...Don't Europeans buy food almost
every day?
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Scott Vernon May 23rd 04 05:52 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
You're right, Old Wise One. Plus, it isn't the hourly rate that the worker
gets, but the other costs ( union crapola, OSHA payoffs, insurance, taxes,
licenses etc.) that really add up, so I was told this week.

Scotty

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oz,

I tried hard to stay out of this but the spirit is to weak.

Scotty, it's not the labor cost. It's the pollution cost. Aussies drew a
bye on the "Kobi Accord" The cost of modification to the new Eniv. code
is shutting down many plants in this country. Still has time down-under.

OT



Scott Vernon May 23rd 04 06:03 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"katysails" wrote
You are stereotyping the lifestyle here. I have a smallish
refrigerator...14 cubic ft...


we have a big fridge and a chest freezer downstairs.

we drive cars that get 30 mpg


my truck gets 5.5 MPG. I burned 600+ galloms of diesel this week.


...we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer


we run ours from April ~ Sept. Even cools the deck some with the door open.



and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...


Too many bugs fly into an open window.

You don't have a TV?


we bought a big screen TV and DVD player this winter.

We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room that we very
seldom use except when the grandkids are here and want to play with the

Play
Station...


we have 4 TVs.

I do my dishes by hand,


don't do dishes, I'm married.

di not have an insinkerator or a trash
compacter...we recycle all out pop bottles and reuse out plastic milk
cartons until they literally are no longer usable...


I burn all trash and bury the ashes twice a year.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


katysails May 23rd 04 11:00 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
Scotty claimes: we have a big fridge and a chest freezer downstairs. and a
whole lot more...


There you have it, donal...stop watching the Beverly Hillbilly's....they're
the only ones who live like you say we do....



--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Donal May 23rd 04 11:17 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...

That is twice the size of our refrigerator!!!!

What? You have a box? Our fridge is small....Y think also that you guys
grocery shop different;y than we do... we buy a week or two's worth at a
time and don't go to the store every day...Don't Europeans buy food almost
every day?


The older generation in Spain and France still do their shopping daily.
However, my generation seems to do a weekly trip to the superstore.

You may *think* that your fridge is small, however, by international
standards it is enormous.


Regards


Donal
--




Donal May 23rd 04 11:20 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

Scotty admits that he is Bobsprit!!!

we have a big fridge and a chest freezer downstairs.
my truck gets 5.5 MPG. I burned 600+ galloms of diesel this week.


we run ours from April ~ Sept. Even cools the deck some with the door

open.



we bought a big screen TV and DVD player this winter.


we have 4 TVs.


Yup!!! Sounds like Bobsprit!!



Regards


Donal
--






Horvath May 24th 04 12:38 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
On Sun, 23 May 2004 13:03:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


"katysails" wrote
You are stereotyping the lifestyle here. I have a smallish
refrigerator...14 cubic ft...


we have a big fridge and a chest freezer downstairs.


I have two fridges and a freezer.

we drive cars that get 30 mpg


my truck gets 5.5 MPG. I burned 600+ galloms of diesel this week.


My limo used 650 gallons of premium gas this week.


...we use our air conditioner maybe 5 days
a summer


we run ours from April ~ Sept. Even cools the deck some with the door open.


Same here, and I keep the house around 60, because I don't like my
beer getting warm.


and never I never use the air conditioner in my car but prefer to
have the window open...


Too many bugs fly into an open window.


I have my showfer drive with the windows open, AND the air on full
blast.

You don't have a TV?


we bought a big screen TV and DVD player this winter.


I got a big screen, 2 DVD players, 3 VHS players, and a 1500 watt
surround sound system.


We have a small set in the
living room and then we have the old tv in the family room that we very
seldom use except when the grandkids are here and want to play with the

Play
Station...


we have 4 TVs.

I do my dishes by hand,


don't do dishes, I'm married.

di not have an insinkerator or a trash
compacter...we recycle all out pop bottles and reuse out plastic milk
cartons until they literally are no longer usable...


I burn all trash and bury the ashes twice a year.


I have four hefty trash bags full of empty beer cans every week.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Navigator May 24th 04 02:45 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 


Horvath wrote:

I have my showfer drive with the windows open, AND the air on full
blast.


Showfer?????????????

Bwhahhahahhahaha

Cheers


Scott Vernon May 24th 04 03:16 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
That's a very low blow Donal, about what I'd expect from someone who uses a
beach for an ashtray.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

Scotty admits that he is Bobsprit!!!

we have a big fridge and a chest freezer downstairs.
my truck gets 5.5 MPG. I burned 600+ galloms of diesel this week.


we run ours from April ~ Sept. Even cools the deck some with the door

open.



we bought a big screen TV and DVD player this winter.


we have 4 TVs.


Yup!!! Sounds like Bobsprit!!



Regards


Donal
--







Horvath May 24th 04 11:57 AM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:45:22 +1200, Navigator wrote
this crap:



Horvath wrote:

I have my showfer drive with the windows open, AND the air on full
blast.


Showfer?????????????


I'm boycotting everything French, even their words.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK May 24th 04 01:43 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
LP asked:
What are the summer temps where you live?


katysails wrote:
80's with humidity in the 70's + range....


That's not summer, that's a mild autumn morning.

Hopefully, the high cost of air conditioning will drive people to move
back up north!

We seem to have skipped spring this year. Went from days in 40s (5
degrees C for you civilized folk) to days in the 90s (35 C) in about a week.

DSK


DSK May 24th 04 01:46 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
SAIL LOCO wrote:
If you don't have at least a small home theater audio system to use when
watching movies your missing out on loads of fun.


I would say the opposite... if you have nothing better to do than sit at
home & be electronically entertained, then you have a pretty empty life.

Go for a walk! Go to a concert! Go sailing! If you have to stay home &
sit around, read a book.

DSK


Bobsprit May 24th 04 01:57 PM

Best news I've heard all week.
 
I would say the opposite... if you have nothing better to do than sit at
home & be electronically entertained, then you have a pretty empty life.

What a shallow idiot.
Some people appreciate music, cinema and so on.
I recently read The Shipping News, And the Sea Will Tell, and just finished
Hotel New Hampshire (Never read it before!). I still have time to watch a great
movie and listen to concerts on my 10K system.
You're on a TRAWLER fer cripes sake while we sail. Shut up.

RB



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