How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Now...stop the lying and posturing. Let's all be honest. How much do you REALLY
sail your own boat. We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit more
in the last months. Last summer we only managed time for 5 short trips, the
longest being 5 days and the others only weekends.
It's not a competition folks. Some of you may be working hard and can't manage
a lot of free time. I'm just curious after a conversation with a fellow (he
owns a IP 35) who only sails 3 weeks out of the whole summer. He pays a lot for
a boat he hardly uses, but it's worth it to him. Even if you own a low cost
boat, did you ever calculate the cost vs. time actually spent aboard?

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

How much do you REALLY
sail

in the last three years, 4,000 some miles. Not enough.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote
Now...stop the lying and posturing. Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY
sail your own boat. We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week ....

YOU BLOODY PERVERT! Boats are only for working on and pouring money into!
They are only sailed in order to wear things out so you can replace them!
Three times a week? Shame on you!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

YOU BLOODY PERVERT! Boats are only for working on and pouring money into!
They are only sailed in order to wear things out so you can replace them!
Three times a week? Shame on you!

Haha! Pretty funny, Vito.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now...stop the lying and posturing. Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY
sail your own boat.

Most years I sail about 2000 miles. However, I suppose that as much as 50%
might be under engine. So I suppose that I REALLY sail about 1000 miles a
year.



We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit more
in the last months.

Really? I'm astonished. I doubt that we would get an average of 3
suitable sailing days a week. You must have a good supply of wind in LIS!


Last summer we only managed time for 5 short trips, the
longest being 5 days and the others only weekends.

Pathetic!!


Regards


Donal
--




It's not a competition folks. Some of you may be working hard and can't
manage
a lot of free time. I'm just curious after a conversation with a fellow
(he
owns a IP 35) who only sails 3 weeks out of the whole summer. He pays a
lot for
a boat he hardly uses, but it's worth it to him. Even if you own a low
cost
boat, did you ever calculate the cost vs. time actually spent aboard?

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote...
Now...stop the lying and posturing.

Now *that* is funny.

Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY sail your own boat.

Why "your own" boat? Why not OPB's?


Donal wrote:
Most years I sail about 2000 miles. However, I suppose that as much as 50%
might be under engine. So I suppose that I REALLY sail about 1000 miles a
year.

Is that how far apart your destinations are, or how many miles over
ground, or miles thru the water?

Since I almost always go back to the same place I started, I tend to
think in terms of days rather than miles. The past two years I have not
sailed as much (surprise surprise) but still go out an average once a
week or so. Are there any bonus points for placing in regattas?

Actually, if trips on the tugboat count, then I made about 1800 miles
(nautical miles, destination to destination (or at least there and
back)) last year and already about 900 this year.

We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit more
in the last months.


Really? I'm astonished. I doubt that we would get an average of 3
suitable sailing days a week. You must have a good supply of wind in LIS!

Yep, and he carries it conveniently on board....

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Donal wrote:



Really? I'm astonished. I doubt that we would get an average of 3
suitable sailing days a week. You must have a good supply of wind in LIS!



It's that gassy American beer you know.

Cheers

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
"Bobsprit" wrote...
Now...stop the lying and posturing.

Now *that* is funny.

Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY sail your own boat.

Why "your own" boat? Why not OPB's?


Donal wrote:
Most years I sail about 2000 miles. However, I suppose that as much as
50%
might be under engine. So I suppose that I REALLY sail about 1000 miles
a
year.

Is that how far apart your destinations are, or how many miles over
ground, or miles thru the water?

Miles through water.

My longest leg so far has been St. Malo, which was about 150 miles.




Since I almost always go back to the same place I started, I tend to
think in terms of days rather than miles. The past two years I have not
sailed as much (surprise surprise) but still go out an average once a
week or so. Are there any bonus points for placing in regattas?

Placings are definitely worth points.




Actually, if trips on the tugboat count, then I made about 1800 miles
(nautical miles, destination to destination (or at least there and
back)) last year and already about 900 this year.

Last year, I had my worst sailing season ever. A combination of work, and
private commitments conspired to prevent me getting out on the water. I
think that I only did about 500 miles.

The year before, I only missed two weekends between the middle of February
and the end of October.


I'm determined to get more sailing in this year. However, I have two
teenage sons who have discovered that girls are interesting. When I ask
the family if they would like to go for a sail, I just get grunted at!!!
[sigh]



Regards


Donal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Is that how far apart your destinations are, or how many miles over
ground, or miles thru the water?

Donal wrote:
Miles through water.

I don't have an accurate count on that, the dinghies don't have a log,
the H19 knot log keeps getting stuck & the tugboat has only a primitive GPS.


My longest leg so far has been St. Malo, which was about 150 miles.

That would be a good sail. Are you planning to do another Round The
Island race?


Last year, I had my worst sailing season ever. A combination of work, and
private commitments conspired to prevent me getting out on the water. I
think that I only did about 500 miles.

The year before, I only missed two weekends between the middle of February
and the end of October.

When do you haul out?



I'm determined to get more sailing in this year. However, I have two
teenage sons who have discovered that girls are interesting. When I ask
the family if they would like to go for a sail, I just get grunted at!!!
[sigh]

Grunt back. Get a club. Better yet, get one of them to invite a girl
sailing. In my experience women find sailing very romantic (at least, up
until it involves throwing up).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

I don't have an accurate count on that, the dinghies don't have a log,
the H19 knot log keeps getting stuck & the tugboat has only a primitive GPS.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In other words, approximately 2.074938 miles.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Most years I sail about 2000 miles. However, I suppose that as much as 50%
might be under engine. So I suppose that I REALLY sail about 1000 miles a
year.

No, 2000 is correct. Motoring your vessel underway is part of sailing, dispite
foolish ideas presented here.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit more
in the last months.

Really? I'm astonished. I doubt that we would get an average of 3
suitable sailing days a week. You must have a good supply of wind in LIS!

I'd say last summer I can count on one hand the days where we had no wind. The
worst times were we were on trips.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

It really depends on the time of year. The annual average wind for LIS
makes it among the windiest places on the entire east coast.

There was almost always wind last season. Sometimes it would die mid-afternoon
for while at worst.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

bob makes his own wind.


"Dave" wrote

If so, it was a most unusual season. Having had a boat on CI for a number
of
years, I can say with some confidence that the Western end of the Sound
ain't the place to sail from if you want wind regularly. There is usually
some part of the day when there's a small bit of wind, so maybe Bobsprit's
claim of few days with _no_ wind is literally true. But there's a lot of
time spent with sails slatting about. That's one of the reasons I moved
my
boat to the Eastern end.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now...stop the lying and posturing. Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY
sail your own boat.

Most years I sail about 2000 miles. However, I suppose that as much as 50%
might be under engine. So I suppose that I REALLY sail about 1000 miles a
year.


1/2 your time motoring. I have a MSV and motor less...

Joe






We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit more
in the last months.

Really? I'm astonished. I doubt that we would get an average of 3
suitable sailing days a week. You must have a good supply of wind in LIS!


Last summer we only managed time for 5 short trips, the
longest being 5 days and the others only weekends.

Pathetic!!


Regards


Donal
--




It's not a competition folks. Some of you may be working hard and can't
manage
a lot of free time. I'm just curious after a conversation with a fellow
(he
owns a IP 35) who only sails 3 weeks out of the whole summer. He pays a
lot for
a boat he hardly uses, but it's worth it to him. Even if you own a low
cost
boat, did you ever calculate the cost vs. time actually spent aboard?

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

pretty much sums things up, eh?


Motoring your vessel underway is sailing

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

pretty much sums things up, eh?

It does if you have any education.

Sailing: 1 a : the technical skill of managing a ship or boat.

Scotty has no education. Even cruise ships set sail.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...

1/2 your time motoring. I have a MSV and motor less...




Answer 1.

Of course you do. Liveaboards stay permanently tied to the dock.


Answer 2.

I've heard that the average sailboat spends 85% of its time underway with
the engine running.

A couple of weeks ago I spent a weekend aboard a much heavier boat than
Setanta. I was astonished to find that we needed the engine with 20 kts
of wind blowing from behind.

On Setanta, given the same conditions, we would have been stonking along at
about 8 kts under spinaker.

*IF* you spend less that 50% of the time with the engine running, then you
either sail in an area with fantastic breezes, or you may be overestimating
the time that you are running under sail alone.


Regards


Donal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

*IF* you spend less that 50% of the time with the engine running, then you
either sail in an area with fantastic breezes, or you may be overestimating
the time that you are running under sail alone.


Again, we run the engine to get clear of the breakwater and that's usually it.
If there is little wind, we sail slow and chat. If there is zero wind we drift.
Unless we need to get somewhere, we don't ruin things by using the engine.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

do you motor when sailing below a certain speed, say 2 kts.?

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
om...

1/2 your time motoring. I have a MSV and motor less...




Answer 1.

Of course you do. Liveaboards stay permanently tied to the dock.


Answer 2.

I've heard that the average sailboat spends 85% of its time underway with
the engine running.

A couple of weeks ago I spent a weekend aboard a much heavier boat than
Setanta. I was astonished to find that we needed the engine with 20 kts
of wind blowing from behind.

On Setanta, given the same conditions, we would have been stonking along
at
about 8 kts under spinaker.

*IF* you spend less that 50% of the time with the engine running, then you
either sail in an area with fantastic breezes, or you may be
overestimating
the time that you are running under sail alone.


Regards


Donal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote


Again, we run the engine to get clear of the breakwater .
If there is little wind, we motor slow and chat. If there is zero wind we
motor.
if we need to get somewhere, we ruin things by using the engine.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
pretty much sums things up, eh?

It does if you have any education.

thank you, thank you very much.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Donal" wrote

I've heard that the average sailboat spends 85% of its time underway with
the engine running.

the opposite for me.



*IF* you spend less that 50% of the time with the engine running, then you
either sail in an area with fantastic breezes, or you may be
overestimating
the time that you are running under sail alone.

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

Scotty

hope I didn't ruin your troll, if that's what it was.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

dave, the lite wind days of western LIS are typically end of July and early
August.

If so, it was a most unusual season. Having had a boat on CI for a number of
years, I can say with some confidence that the Western end of the Sound
ain't the place to sail from if you want wind regularly. There is usually
some part of the day when there's a small bit of wind, so maybe Bobsprit's
claim of few days with _no_ wind is literally true. But there's a lot of
time spent with sails slatting about. That's one of the reasons I moved my
boat to the Eastern end.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

so you are one of the 85%ers?

Ozone layer scribbled thusly:


Heh heh, on one of the tris, we motor when we get below 8 kts :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

do you motor when sailing below a certain speed, say 2 kts.?



Good lord. Just when I though Scotty Potti couldn't be any dumber.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote



Good lord. Just when I though

let us know when you have a thought.

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Good lord. Just when I though

let us know when you have a thought.


Opinions are like assholes...and Scotty Potti.

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote

Onions are like assholes. My breathe stinks after eating either one

RB

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:06:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is too shallow to sail
in.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

You need to look at a chart.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:06:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is too shallow to sail
in.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Horvath" wrote

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is to sail
in.

No channel, just the marina fairway.

SV

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

On Sat, 15 May 2004 09:35:20 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

You need to look at a chart.

Not only have I seen charts, but I've sailed in the Chesapeake.


"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:06:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is too shallow to sail
in.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Horvath wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004 09:35:20 -0400, "Jeff Morris" wrote this crap:
"Horvath" wrote in
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:06:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon" wrote this crap:


Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is too shallow to sail
in.

You need to look at a chart.

Not only have I seen charts, but I've sailed in the Chesapeake.

Let me guess: you ran aground, didn't you?

--
// Walt
//
// There is no Volkl Conspiracy

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Horvath" wrote
You need to look at a chart.

Not only have I seen charts, but I've sailed in
the Chesapeake on a cruise ship.











"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:06:51 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

Honestly, Donut, I motor about 10%, but then, they do say the
Chesapeake Bay
is the ''Greatest Sailing Area in the World''.

But that's only in the channel. 90% of the bay is too shallow to sail
in.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

On Sat, 15 May 2004 11:52:23 -0400, Walt
wrote this crap:


You need to look at a chart.

Not only have I seen charts, but I've sailed in the Chesapeake.

Let me guess: you ran aground, didn't you?

A mile from shore. But there was no damage, I just pulled up the
daggerboard, and kept sailing.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 23:24:54 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:

*IF* you spend less that 50% of the time with the engine running, then
you
either sail in an area with fantastic breezes, or you may be
overestimating
the time that you are running under sail alone.

Huh?

I suppose that it deprnds on the type of sailing that you do. If you
usually race, then you won't use an engine much.

OTOH, if you sail a 30something footer, and you cruise, then you will use
the engine a lot.

See my answer to Scott.

Regards


Donal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
do you motor when sailing below a certain speed, say 2 kts.?

It depends.

If we are going to a marina that is only open for a few hours ( -3 HW +2 ),
then we will use the engine if we need to. The alternative would be a
seven hour wait in potentially rough water.

OTOH, if we are out in the Solent (my local area), then I am quite happy to
drift if the tide is carrying us in the right direction.

A typical scenario would be a weekend trip to St Vaast, in France. The
distance is 75 miles. The marina in St Vaast has a lock gate that opens
when the tide is 4.7m above chart datum (usually HW-3). Depending on the
wind, the trip can take between 10, and 19 hours. Our recent trip was taken
on a day when the lock was due to open a 18:00. So we departed at 05:00.
If we had arrived after 19:00, then we would not be able to go out to a
restaurant. (French time is an hour ahead, the French eat early, and there
is a long walk from the marina). You can see that we needed to maintain
about 5.5 kts.





Regards


Donal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote

Onions are like assholes. My breathe stinks after eating either one


10/10, Scott! I nearly choked.



Regards


Sonal
--

How Much Do You Really Sail?
 

Not enough, with mine about twice a month, others' boats, quite a bit.
Holder 20s.. 4 times a week, Yamaha 30... 3-4 times a month.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Now...stop the lying and posturing. Let's all be honest. How much do you
REALLY
sail your own boat. We sail Alien an average of 3 times a week and a bit
more
in the last months. Last summer we only managed time for 5 short trips,
the
longest being 5 days and the others only weekends.
It's not a competition folks. Some of you may be working hard and can't
manage
a lot of free time. I'm just curious after a conversation with a fellow
(he
owns a IP 35) who only sails 3 weeks out of the whole summer. He pays a
lot for
a boat he hardly uses, but it's worth it to him. Even if you own a low
cost
boat, did you ever calculate the cost vs. time actually spent aboard?

RB