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So sez the book sailor.

keep reading them sailing articles ,bob.

SV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Well jeez louise Bob..... mine would still be the original halyards this
season if I hadn't gotten these new ones for free. They were spares he had
on his boat for the trip.

Running rigging should be replaced after 8 to 10 years. It's not expensive
and
easy to do. I've replaced all of my running rigging and most of the
standing.
Not a huge expense and less worry. I bet Scotty Potti's standing rigging
is
original as well.

RB

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Well, since I was scheduled to splash March 5th, but kept putting it off,
I'm probably not even on the list anymore. And I'm not a brown-noser like
some people.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scott said:
then beg the yard guys to launch me this week.

You have to beg? All we had to do was walk up to the desk and ask
Kathleen
to schedule us in this weel....but then, we pay our bills on
time....Saturday was MYC Work Day...rained in the morning but they were
launching boats off the crane at the rate of 1 every 10 minutes or
so...very
organized...I was assigned to the gardening crew and cut down ornamental
grass and raked out last years crud from under the roses, etc while Mr.
Sail's hung a door on the dumpster site that had been yanked off last
year...and we managed to get a place for the dinghy on the outside dock so
we don't have to launch it from the Butterfly Beach and then have to row
around the whole club to get to the mooring field. And we did the wax
on/wax
off thing and touched up some paint in a few places....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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for a blue water cruiser like bob, it's very critical to keep the rigging up
to snuff.

My halyards are fine, just old. The sheets were oversize and fuzzy, nice on
the hands. The one sheave on the fid block started to crack, so I replaced
all. and I wanted the genny sheets 5' longer.

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| I should probably replace my halyards as well, I think they're the
| originals.
|
|
| You should replace the whole wreck of a boat. Original halyards? What an
unsafe
| idiot.

Well jeez louise Bob..... mine would still be the original halyards this
season if I hadn't gotten these new ones for free. They were spares he had
on his boat for the trip.

I can see replacing running rigging often on a race boat..... but on a
cruiser, I don't see the need to replace stuff that isn't worn to a point
of
possible failure. I'm certain that like me..... Scott inspects his
halyards
and sheets every season and performs the maintenance to keep them in good
operating condition.

BTW.... how many halyards do you have on Alien??

CM

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I'm replacing my mainsheet tomorrow with an oversized line to
see how that works. .

Cool! It will match your oversize swim ladder.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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And I'm not a brown-noser like
some people.

The jealous loser cries again!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Since a Nonsuch is often sailed more like a dinghy, and the
amount of line you have to haul in to go from dead downwind to close hauled is
huge (about 70 feet) it was very nice.

Buy a Harken double ended mainsheet fiddle. You could pull in twice as much
line with the same effort.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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My halyards are fine, just old. The sheets were oversize and fuzzy, nice on
the hands. The one sheave on the fid block started to crack, so I replaced
all. and I wanted the genny sheets 5' longer.

Holy crap. Unsafe and stupid. Doesn't matter. His boat is on LAND!

RB

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why 2 mains?


"Capt. Mooron" wrote
I carry 2 main halyards and 2 jib halyards.... one of which doubles as a
spinnaker halyard.

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why 2 mains?


Holy dragon crap!


RB

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my RF has it's own halyard, so-to-speak. Wire goes up from the head around
a sheave on the top fitting and back down to a cleat on the RF drum. So
now I have a spare jib halyard.

SV


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Roller furling still has a halyard - how else would it get up there? I
have
main, jib and spinnaker, plus a spare messenger on a sheave, plus a flag
halyard. In a pinch, the topping lift could be used as a halyard.




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| BTW.... how many halyards do you have on Alien??
|
| 5. Can you name them?

WOW... you have 5 sheaves on your masthead?? I only have 4
halyards.....
but I can rig and run 6 on my mast...all internal. Hey... maybe I'll use
my
old main and jib halyard to run all 6 this year. Then again all my jibs
are
hank ons so the feasibility of running two jibs on one forestay exist.

I carry 2 main halyards and 2 jib halyards.... one of which doubles as a
spinnaker halyard.

I thought you had roller furling? If so.... I'd be hard pressed to
figure
why you have 5 halyards... unless 3 of them are never used. I've never
seen
a photo of Alien with a chute.... or a storm trysail rigged.

CM

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my RF has it's own halyard, so-to-speak.

!!!!!Bwahahaha!!! I'm not kidding. Scotty Potti is a total idiot..so to speak.

RB

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You'll have to explain how that works. I was taught there's no such thing as a
free lunch.

Remember, a Nonsuch 30 has a 540 sq ft main and requires end of boom sheeting.
The mast is about 27 feet from the stern, and the optimal downwind angle is 180
degrees in any wind.

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Since a Nonsuch is often sailed more like a dinghy, and the
amount of line you have to haul in to go from dead downwind to close hauled is
huge (about 70 feet) it was very nice.

Buy a Harken double ended mainsheet fiddle. You could pull in twice as much
line with the same effort.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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You'll have to explain how that works. I was taught there's no such thing
as a
free lunch..

Just pick up a Harken catalog.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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I've thought about that but rejected it as on Ella the topping lift wire
is too small to be used as a main halyard. Is yours wire or braid and
how does it compare in size to your main halyard?

Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:

Roller furling still has a halyard - how else would it get up there? I have
main, jib and spinnaker, plus a spare messenger on a sheave, plus a flag
halyard. In a pinch, the topping lift could be used as a halyard.




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| BTW.... how many halyards do you have on Alien??
|
| 5. Can you name them?

WOW... you have 5 sheaves on your masthead?? I only have 4 halyards.....
but I can rig and run 6 on my mast...all internal. Hey... maybe I'll use my
old main and jib halyard to run all 6 this year. Then again all my jibs are
hank ons so the feasibility of running two jibs on one forestay exist.

I carry 2 main halyards and 2 jib halyards.... one of which doubles as a
spinnaker halyard.

I thought you had roller furling? If so.... I'd be hard pressed to figure
why you have 5 halyards... unless 3 of them are never used. I've never seen
a photo of Alien with a chute.... or a storm trysail rigged.

CM

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Wonder why it got called a lift?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

In a pinch, the topping lift could be used as a halyard.


Good point. And technically the topping lift IS a halyard.

RB

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What does it measure, tangles in a line?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

You had brand new standing rigging inspected? Man... that costs money up
here.It's a C-note service call.

I had the fittings inspected and it cost me nothing. The fellow who does the
work for my yard is a close friend. Of course, I had to help him install and
adjust a knotmeter last week.

RB

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Huh?

Cheers

SAIL LOCO wrote:

Since a Nonsuch is often sailed more like a dinghy, and the
amount of line you have to haul in to go from dead downwind to close hauled is
huge (about 70 feet) it was very nice.

Buy a Harken double ended mainsheet fiddle. You could pull in twice as much
line with the same effort.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...

Buy a Harken double ended mainsheet fiddle. You could pull in twice as much
line with the same effort.


You'll have to explain how that works. I was taught there's no such thing
as a free lunch.

Just pick up a Harken catalog.

I'm sorry - I keep looking through the catalog and can't find anything that
pulls twice as much line with the same effort. If I put two together will it do
4 times as much with the same effort? How about 10? Then I could jibe only
pulling an inch, with the same effort!

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 14:20:44 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
scribbled thusly:

You'll have to explain how that works. I was taught there's no such thing as
a
free lunch.

Remember, a Nonsuch 30 has a 540 sq ft main and requires end of boom
sheeting.
The mast is about 27 feet from the stern, and the optimal downwind angle is
180
degrees in any wind.

even more reason to have a dual system.
Hauling an end boom sheeted main is a breeze with only minimal
purchase then when the load goes on you cleat off the coarse and
switch to the fine end for trimming.
You'll be amazed at the amount of sheet you save by knocking out a
couple of purchases.

The stock setup only has 2:1 purchase to start. Some people reduce that to 1:1
in light air when racing, but I never raced my Nonsuch so I never bothered.


You can then have a higher purchase system on the fine because you're
trimming over a shorter distance.

I suppose this would be of some value to a racer, but the real win with the
wishbone rig is the ability to shape the sail while underway with the choker and
topping lift.


Gybes wil be a breeze because you can centre the main so much faster
without the extra line to haul.

Its hard to have much less than 2:1. If the wind was light, I would just reach
out and grab the doubled sheet and haul that in, effectively 1:1. If the wind
was so strong I couldn't haul the mainsheet by hand, I usually did a "chicken
jibe," tacking around, rather wondering if the boom would explode in a real
jibe.

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Bobsprit wrote:

I flew the spin maybe 5 or 6 times last season, ...

5 or 6 times in a whole season?? You are *kidding*, right?


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Bobsprit wrote:
I flew the spin maybe 5 or 6 times last season, ...

Wally wrote:
5 or 6 times in a whole season?? You are *kidding*, right?

Ya gotta remember, Boobsie is extremely impressed by his own
accomplishments no matter how feeble. And in a way, it *is* kinda
impressive, when he first saw the spinnaker in it's bag, he was all
excited because he thought his new sheer underwear had finally arrived...

DSK

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

I've never seen a photo of Alien with a chute....

His waifs-and-strays crew are scared to use it.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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Wally wrote:
Then he tried it on and was disappointed to find it was too small...

Actually, the only reason it was hoisted at all is that his crew of
waifs and strays all thought he was wearing it.

DSK

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DSK wrote:

Ya gotta remember, Boobsie is extremely impressed by his own
accomplishments no matter how feeble. And in a way, it *is* kinda
impressive, when he first saw the spinnaker in it's bag, he was all
excited because he thought his new sheer underwear had finally
arrived...

Then he tried it on and was disappointed to find it was too small...


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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OzOne wrote in message ...


So how do you manage to haul over 70'of mainsheet?


It got tedious. Actually, the worse stituation is being caught oversailed and
having to release the main in a puff, only to have to winch it back in. After a
few of those experiances I learned to reef early, reef often.

One must remember though, there is no jib, so there is no effort to short
tacking up a channel. All in all, the Nonsuch is a dream for short handed
sailing. If I ever got in a situation where I was doing singlehanded cruising,
I pick a Nonsuch 26 (or even a 22). The 30 is a great boat for 2 people, but it
gets small with a family, and its a bit large to singlehand.

http://www.eastlandyachts.com/nonsuch.html

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Bobsprit wrote:

Well jeez louise Bob..... mine would still be the original halyards this
season if I hadn't gotten these new ones for free. They were spares he had
on his boat for the trip.

Running rigging should be replaced after 8 to 10 years.

Bwahahahaaaaa! That comment proves that you hardly sail at all!! I'm
on my third main halyard!

It's not expensive

Well no .... You don't need expensive rigging for motoring around!

Regards


Donal
--

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Bobsprit wrote:

Well jeez louise Bob..... mine would still be the original halyards this
season if I hadn't gotten these new ones for free. They were spares he had
on his boat for the trip.

Running rigging should be replaced after 8 to 10 years.

Bwahahahaaaaa! That comment proves that you hardly sail at all!! I'm
on my third main halyard!

It's not expensive

Well no .... You don't need expensive rigging for motoring around!

Regards


Donal
--

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Running rigging should be replaced after 8 to 10 years.

Bwahahahaaaaa! That comment proves that you hardly sail at all!! I'm
on my third main halyard!

Then something is wrong with your sheeves. Halyards should last 3-5 seasons on
a heavily sailed boat. Boats have circumnavigated without losing a halyard, but
not your high quality Beneteau!

RB

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One for the main sail and the other doubles as topping lift / trysail
halyard.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| why 2 mains?
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
| I carry 2 main halyards and 2 jib halyards.... one of which doubles as a
| spinnaker halyard.
|
|

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| How about the line for my lazy jacks...is that a halyard? It does "lift"
them.

Frankly Bob.... I'd have to say NO!

I mean really.... lazy jacks... halyards.... please expound!

I have two sheaves on small diameter cords to the mast with the cradle lines
run through and reefed along the boom.

CM

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I flew the spin maybe 5 or 6 times last season, ...

5 or 6 times in a whole season?? You are *kidding*, right?

Nope. I spent a good amount of time sailing a on two J24's and had plenty of
time with their chutes. Aboard Alien we generally took it easy. Plenty of folks
never fly their spins unless they're racing. A flasher/blooper or something
like it is more useful on the sound.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

I flew the spin maybe 5 or 6 times last season, ...
5 or 6 times in a whole season?? You are *kidding*, right?

Nope. Aboard Alien we're generally too scared.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Well...... if you replace the wire without the associated hardware... that
| might not be interpreted as sound reasoning. Have you priced rod
lately???
|
| I think a lot folks just swap out the wire, after they carefully check the
| turnbuckles. I haven't priced rod, but I'd expect a fair amount of sticker
| shock.

That's odd....... everyone I know that has replaced their standing
rigging have also replaced all the hardware associated. From what I was
told.... most of the failures or damage is to the swage or tang.
Nonetheless... considering the relative cost and peace of mind, I'd be
replacing the turnbuckles as well.

Do you inspect your pins for wear? I generally replace mine annually if
feasible.

CM

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5 or 6 times in a whole season?? You are *kidding*, right?

Nope. Aboard Alien we're generally too scared.

Wow...for a second I thought Wally would actually discuss sailing. Seems like
he's little more than a Scotty Potti Clown clone now.

RB

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Do you inspect your pins for wear? I generally replace mine annually if
feasible.

I constantly check the pins on just about everything. Years ago, on my Catalina
27, a shroud nearly worked it's way free because the pin fell out. I've been
paranoid ever since.

RB

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I never replaced the standing rigging on the Nonsuch.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Well...... if you replace the wire without the associated hardware... that
| might not be interpreted as sound reasoning. Have you priced rod
lately???
|
| I think a lot folks just swap out the wire, after they carefully check the
| turnbuckles. I haven't priced rod, but I'd expect a fair amount of sticker
| shock.

That's odd....... everyone I know that has replaced their standing
rigging have also replaced all the hardware associated. From what I was
told.... most of the failures or damage is to the swage or tang.
Nonetheless... considering the relative cost and peace of mind, I'd be
replacing the turnbuckles as well.

Do you inspect your pins for wear? I generally replace mine annually if
feasible.

CM

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Bobsprit wrote:

Wow...for a second I thought Wally would actually discuss sailing.
Seems like he's little more than a Scotty Potti Clown clone now.

A poor effort, Bob, considering I just posted two pics of me sailing and
went on to discuss conditions in my local area.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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I never replaced the standing rigging on the Nonsuch.

Lol.

RB

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A poor effort, Bob, considering I just posted two pics of me sailing and
went on to discuss conditions in my local area.

Didn't create much dialogue, now did it?
Hmmm. Wonder why?

RB

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Jeff Morris wrote:
I never replaced the standing rigging on the Nonsuch.

I guess not.

DSK