DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Do you know what this symbol - ? - means as in "Are you talking
about a radial cut?" ???


Do you know what this symbol means - . - as in "If I meant a radial
cut, I'd have said 'radial cut' instead of 'cross cut'. Period.

Very simple English, why can you not understand?



Let me explain. I was being nice to you. I saw a possible slip up on
your part and was giving you the chance to correct yourself if
necessary. In the earlier post you said :

"For running & light air, the old fashioned cross cut is better. It can
be cut with - deeper shape --"

which as far as I know is wrong as that is the main benefit of a radial
head e.g. 'big girls'? So I politely questioned whether you meant that.
Since it seems that you think that cross cuts are deeper and better I
cannot help but wonder how your view (that cross cuts are better) flies
in the face of general knowlege that high performance yachts use radial
cut sails for downwind sailing.

Of course I must be wrong because you are Doug King (who can't own an
expensive radial cut sail but who does have a propellor on all his boats).

Cheers

Navigator wrote:
Let me explain. I was being nice to you.

Oh yes, you're always very nice, Navvie. You don't pay your bets and
you're a liar, but a nice one.


... In the earlier post you said :

"For running & light air, the old fashioned cross cut is better. It can
be cut with - deeper shape --"

which as far as I know is wrong

Ah well, you haven't sailed small one-designs, have you?

Considering that the major racing sailmakers still make cross cuts and
the class champions still use them, maybe you'd better give *them* the
benefit of your vast wisdom

DSK

It's too late for advice on trim Doug. Maybe offer them a sharp knife
and a spare life jacket to tie onto it?

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

S'funny I was sure our Dragon had one and my present boat has two.


Maybe you have some helpful advice for these guys.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/ww.../shrimping.jpg

DSK

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Let me explain. I was being nice to you.


Oh yes, you're always very nice, Navvie. You don't pay your bets and
you're a liar, but a nice one.


It's you that won't pay the bet or even agree to terms for payment.
However you prefer to continue the BIG LIE. You really should try to
learn from your mistakes.


... In the earlier post you said :

"For running & light air, the old fashioned cross cut is better. It
can be cut with - deeper shape --"

which as far as I know is wrong


Ah well, you haven't sailed small one-designs, have you?


So you still say it's right even when all the top sail designers say
otherwise. So typically Doug. Deny the truth all you like but even a
novice knows why radial cut sails are selected for high performance and
yet again you show your true colors.

Cheers

Navigator wrote:
So you still say it's right even when all the top sail designers say
otherwise. So typically Doug.

Yes, it is typical of me to ignore your bluster and go by what the lead
sailmakers are doing and the lead racers are using.

Ask North Sails, maybe they know something about spinnakers. They are
still making cross cuts for a number of classes. But of course, *you*
know much much more than them.



... radial cut sails are selected for high performance

In many cases, yes. In at least some, and ones I have most experience
in, no.


yet again you show your true colors.

Yes I have a colored spinnaker. Is this important to you somehow?

DSK

"Navigator" wrote in message
...
Lucky windshift.



They aren't on the first leg. Are you suggesting that they had several
"lucky windshifts"?

My personal experience is that the boat in first place has his sails trimmed
correctly. Is it different in NZ?




Regards


Donal
--

OzOne wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2004 23:35:52 +0100, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


"Navigator" wrote in message
...

Lucky windshift.



They aren't on the first leg. Are you suggesting that they had several
"lucky windshifts"?

My personal experience is that the boat in first place has his sails trimmed
correctly. Is it different in NZ?



Just to put a finer point on it,
I have seen many races where a boat will fly to the top mark and round
first either by pure boat speed of that lucky shift only to be
completely swamped when the following fleet consumes her air leaving
her floundering as they cruise on by.


And sometimes they don't get by if the line is near...

Cheers

Hey Oz, did the French take spinnaker lesson from Doug?

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/ww...17_Mar_231.jpg

Cheers

Checking up on Doug's clear assertion (below) I find that Doug is not
correct. North say their fastest spinnaker is a radial and that 2003
Lightning world champions use them.

http://www.northsailsod.com/class/li...lightning.html

"For top performance and durability, we offer the R-2 and the RC-1
spinnakers. Both spinnakers are fill radial with fully glued seams for
smoothness and resistance to snags. Both are built from AirX fabric."

Tell me Doug, why did you say that they were cross cut? Are you confused
or BSing? Are you now going to take my spinnaker advice and get a faster
radial sail?

Cheers

DSK wrote:


Really? That must be why the current North and Sobstad runners on
Lightnings (and a few other one designs I believe) are all cross cut.

DSK wrote:


Considering that the major racing sailmakers still make cross cuts and
the class champions still use them, maybe you'd better give *them* the
benefit of your vast wisdom


Yes they make them, they'll make anything you want. But the world
champions in Lightnings apparently use radial cut. While my wisdom is
not vast, in this case it is certainly in accord with world champions
choice in Lightnings (according to North sails).

Perhaps you would like some more advice on sails from me? I'm only
trying to help you know.

Cheers