What and openly critcise your sail trim? I mean even the main needs a
bit now did I say that???? Never!

Cheers



Capt. Mooron wrote:

No, actually I never have...... would you care to have a go?

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
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| Well, I'm glad you got it up! Did you ever analyse this picture?
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| Capt. Mooron wrote:
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| How about this one....
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| http://community.webshots.com/photo/...69844104bIbgHb
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| .......my first time with a chute on Overproof.
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Yes and there's more.

Cheers

Wally wrote:

Navigator wrote:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...88888637udZpWz

Could this spinnaker trim be improved?


(Point elswhere about being ahead of the pack is duly noted...) I ain't no
expert (just getting the hang of spinnakers), but it looks to me like the
belly is too high - the creases suggest that the sheet and guy are pulling
the bottom corners in too much. Is the pole long enough? Are the lines
coming down to the rail too far forward? (They come back to the quarters on
the Sonata I'm crewing on.) The leech of the jib seems to be fouling the
spinnaker a little.

Yes, and look at the foot -way too curved and uneven

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:16:40 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:


http://community.webshots.com/photo/...88888637udZpWz

Could this spinnaker trim be improved?

Cheers


I queried Doug about that a while back.
His answer was along the lines of
"Hey we're in front so it must be OK"

Hard to ignore that though it all looks a little saggy to me.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

It's to cut down wind resistance!

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

Tee Hee, I'm a little worried about the main being cranked on :-)

On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:18:42 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
scribbled thusly:


No, actually I never have...... would you care to have a go?

CM

"Navigator" wrote in message
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| Well, I'm glad you got it up! Did you ever analyse this picture?
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| Cheers
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| Capt. Mooron wrote:
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| How about this one....
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| http://community.webshots.com/photo/...69844104bIbgHb
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| .......my first time with a chute on Overproof.
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Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

519 is better but pole should be back a bit further too. I'd say Dougs
pole is too high and too far forward. The sheet is too tight and the jib
has not received appropriate attention. They've balanced the boat OK but
the man standing up should be watching the spinny not playing with Doug.

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:16:40 +1200, Navigator
scribbled thusly:


http://community.webshots.com/photo/...88888637udZpWz

Could this spinnaker trim be improved?

Cheers


I queried Doug about that a while back.
His answer was along the lines of
"Hey we're in front so it must be OK"

Hard to ignore that though it all looks a little saggy to me.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

See now... there's that darned "moment in time" thingy again. Since it was
my (and the crew's) first time ever putting up a chute I decided to get the
main out of the way so as to allow the crew better access and a cleaner line
of sight so they could hear me yell at them that they were doing it all
wrong! ;-)

Unfortunately they were so impressed that the spinnaker went up and started
drawing without a hitch that 2 of them jumped into the dinghy and sped out
to take a photo or two. The rest of us were so darned proud that we just had
to have a brew in the cockpit to celebrate.

Now for the trim on the chute itself...... there wasn't any. I preset both
guy and sheet and hoisted the chute to the max. That's the way it set
without any adjustments. Amazing Eh??!!

Have no fear though... we eventually got over our sense of pride and eased
the main to draw again later on...... with absolutely no increase in speed
of the vessel. Go figure!!

CM


"Navigator" wrote in message
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| It's to cut down wind resistance!
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| Cheers
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| OzOne wrote:
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| Tee Hee, I'm a little worried about the main being cranked on :-)
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| On Mon, 3 May 2004 23:18:42 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
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| CM
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| | Well, I'm glad you got it up! Did you ever analyse this picture?
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| | .......my first time with a chute on Overproof.
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| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
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| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
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OzOne wrote:
Hmmm, 519 looks a little straight in the middle luff.
Either way, they're dreadful looking kites, creases, seam
puckers,bulges and bumps everywhere.

That's partly due to the sailmakers working the shape to get every
possible inch of area, and partially due to the sheeting angle.

I'd say that #519 has their pole too far down & too far forward. On our
boat, the pole may be a bit too far back since the foot of the spinnaker
is tight against the jib & forestay.

Good call on the boom vang being too tight, at this point we're still
dressing up from the hoist and other than easing the sheet, I haven't
done anything... the backstay was probably never pulled in these
conditions... but it's a bit of a job to get the centerboard up, that's
probably what I am doing in this picture.

Even though the middle crew/spinnaker trimmer is looking down at the
moment, there is a hint of curl in the upper luff. One problem with
these boats is that they are a spaghetti factory, the crew spends at
least 1/3 of their time stripping out lines and clearing tangles.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Wally wrote:
(Point elswhere about being ahead of the pack is duly noted...) I ain't no
expert (just getting the hang of spinnakers), but it looks to me like the
belly is too high - the creases suggest that the sheet and guy are pulling
the bottom corners in too much. Is the pole long enough? Are the lines
coming down to the rail too far forward? (They come back to the quarters on
the Sonata I'm crewing on.) The leech of the jib seems to be fouling the
spinnaker a little.

The length of the pole is limited by class rule, almost any boat would
be faster (all else being equal) with a longer spinnaker pole. Also the
sheet leads are determined by the boat's length & beam, yes they are at
the quarters. The guy is run down to a reaching cleat just aft of the
windward chainplates, that is cast off in a gybe and the new guy socked
down.

As you and Oz1 suggest, the jib is somewhat in the way (although I could
point out that it is also more sail area, and it's pulling) and usually
they are snugged down to the foredeck. But at the point when this
picture was taken, the spinnaker had just been hoisted and we had other
priorities. With the luff curl up high and the creases from the clew,
the spinnaker is pulling quite well. I generally carry it the pole
higher than most people (except in light air) and find that if you can
keep the sail stabilized, it's faster.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigator wrote:
It wasn't that picture and you didn't discuss it.

Oh really? Sorry to tell you, but the Google archive disagrees

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e... t%26rnum%3D27


... Oz said your trim was
bad and you (of course) said otherwise as I recall. But it's alright I
know you know you are always right.

No, but on most occasions I'm right when you disagree.

DSK

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

2 of them jumped into the dinghy and rowed out ahead
of us to take a photo or two.