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Was there a hurricane coming???? But can you spot what's wrong?

Cheers

OMG.... Not another 'Catenary's thread!!!! ;-)

I take it the vessel weathered the storm.....

CM


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Alas it did.

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

OMG.... Not another 'Catenary's thread!!!! ;-)

I take it the vessel weathered the storm.....

CM


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Navigator wrote:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...93692203gOXLkd

Was there a hurricane coming????

Yep

http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/service/pam.../20030918.html


But can you spot what's wrong?

Yes indeed. We had to put down our beer.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...93692203gOXLkd

Was there a hurricane coming????


Yep

http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/service/pam.../20030918.html



But can you spot what's wrong?




No, there's a couple of other things...

Cheers

Guy standing between the line and bulwarks is asking to get a serious
rope burn or worse if the other holding it should suddenly let go, since
he has no "turn" on anything.

otnmbrd wrote:
Guy standing between the line and bulwarks is asking to get a serious
rope burn or worse if the other holding it should suddenly let go, since
he has no "turn" on anything.

?? There is nobody between a line and a bulwark. There are three lines
in this picture

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...93692203gOXLkd

One dock line is secured at the port hawse. The second is led from the
samson post to the port hawse, then to the dock. The third is from the
samson post to the starboard hawse and then to an anchor which is just
starting to dig in.

These lines were sweated up pretty tight by hand, but I doubt that would
snap any of them. Since the boat was not in motion, and no line was
secured to anything that had any potential to move, the danger seems
very slight. Normally we are very careful of lines under strain and I'm
a little surprised you'd make this comment.

The boat was being secured for a hurricane and the anchor was set to
hold the boat away from the dock, also as a precaution against strong
current in the canal. We were in a canal above the locks, this was about
as a good place to secure for a hurricane as could be found on the US
East Coast. The other pictures that show the chafing gear, which worked
magnificently, might be of interest.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
otnmbrd wrote:

Guy standing between the line and bulwarks is asking to get a serious
rope burn or worse if the other holding it should suddenly let go,
since he has no "turn" on anything.


?? There is nobody between a line and a bulwark. There are three lines
in this picture

Look again. The person in jeans is standing (ok, sitting with his
feet..) in a hole, made up of the bulwarks, anchor/bow pulpit and the
line which is leading around the samson post (G thanks for saying
that, I couldn't for the life of me remember what to call that ....
brain phart).
Now, admittedly, it would not appear that there is much if any strain on
the line the other is holding, however, one never knows what might
happen, and considering the lead of this line, if some great strain
should come on it and the one guy lose his grip, that line could whip
around onto the person in the "hole".
Again, you know what was going on with other lines, etc., but in viewing
the picture, all I see is someone standing in a "hole", one side of
which is a line and to me this is as big a no-no as standing in a bight,
no matter what the circumstances.

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One dock line is secured at the port hawse. The second is led from the
samson post to the port hawse, then to the dock. The third is from the
samson post to the starboard hawse and then to an anchor which is just
starting to dig in.

These lines were sweated up pretty tight by hand, but I doubt that would
snap any of them. Since the boat was not in motion, and no line was
secured to anything that had any potential to move, the danger seems
very slight. Normally we are very careful of lines under strain and I'm
a little surprised you'd make this comment.

See above. Normally stepping into a bight on a line that's not going
anywhere and has no real strain will not be dangerous. It's that one
time you forget to watch what's going on and step in a bight, that cost
you a leg ..... same applies to the situation above.

otn


The boat was being secured for a hurricane and the anchor was set to
hold the boat away from the dock, also as a precaution against strong
current in the canal. We were in a canal above the locks, this was about
as a good place to secure for a hurricane as could be found on the US
East Coast. The other pictures that show the chafing gear, which worked
magnificently, might be of interest.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Will add my two cents to otn's.
Whether or not there was any strain on the lines, having the feet in the area
between the lines run and bulwarks especially as in the picture, is not a good
idea.
We all do it and normally get away with it, but it's the one time that proves
the value of always watching where we stand, and standing in a "hole" as otn
describes it, is a situation to be avoided.

Shen

Shen44 wrote:
Will add my two cents to otn's.
Whether or not there was any strain on the lines, having the feet in the area
between the lines run and bulwarks especially as in the picture, is not a good
idea.
We all do it and normally get away with it, but it's the one time that proves
the value of always watching where we stand, and standing in a "hole" as otn
describes it, is a situation to be avoided.

Agreed. However, it does not seem to me that it applies to this picture,
as nobody is between a line under strain and a solid part of the boat.

primitive ASCII diagram, Xs represent people, [ is the bulwark, __) is
the line around the samson post
[
[ X
[____
[ __)
[ X
[

But I am definitely interested in learning. Given the layout of the
foredeck in the picture, where do you suggest the crew place themselves
when working lines?

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Fresh Breezes- Doug King