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Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone..
Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein Can you say "wing keel"? I think if you had to take your boat down you could probably retrofit a wing keel, though I would imagine it would cost 6-7k minimum. By "Estero Island" did you mean Ft. Myers Beach? Did you go to the bird sanctuary on Sanibel? John Cairns |
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How shallow a draft do you need? Your dillema reminds me of a guy who
used to be here, flying for one of the airlines. He bought a brand new Valiant 40 in anticipation of retiring to Florida. It was a beautiful boat. Just before leaving he developed anxieties over the boat's draft, so he had the boat hauled and ignoring the warnings and pleadings of everyone, proceeded to take about a foot off the bottom of the keel with a chain saw. I guess that is one approach to the problem:) He must have been related to Jim Cate/Bobsprit. On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:07:22 -0400, "katysails" wrote: Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! |
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How shallow a draft do you need? Your dillema reminds me of a guy who
used to be here, flying for one of the airlines. Man, I've heard that old wives story for years now. Didn't happen like that at all. The owner had the yard do the job and it was because of the slip he owned, which was a bit too shallow. Valliant was involved in the mod and the boat was sold recently on Yachtworld after he died. The boat was a beaut. RB |
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katysails wrote:
Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good... Glad you had a good trip and are safely home. Good luck with the job! Here's a personal tidbit... I found some old family film showing vacations of long ago, included some footage of me & my cousin sailing a Butterfly. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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John asked: Can you say "wing keel"?
We asked about that and were told that wing keels are not good on the shoals...that they tend to bury themselves and you can't get off without Sea Tow or someone coming to give you a shove.... By "Estero Island" did you mean Ft. Myers Beach? Yes...Fort Myers Beach is on Estero Island Did you go to the bird sanctuary on Sanibel? With 15 foot marauding alligators dining on women? Nah.....Went to Lover's Key.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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felton asked: How shallow a draft do you need?
They're saying no more than 4 ft...and that's getting "iffy".....the municipal marina is only 5 ft and the mooring fields at low tide are at 4-5.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:32:03 -0400, "katysails"
wrote: felton asked: How shallow a draft do you need? They're saying no more than 4 ft...and that's getting "iffy".....the municipal marina is only 5 ft and the mooring fields at low tide are at 4-5.... Sounds like a Coronado 27 is in your future..:) |
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You need a catamarran or a Cat boat
There are three pretty catboats in the local marina. One of them needs work, and I've been toying with the idea of getting one--just what I need another boat. I found one that is being offered for free--Hmmm! They have a wide beam, a centerboard. Most use an outboard. I've seen one with an inboard diesel. For shoal draft, you can't beat a centerboard. Bart "katysails" wrote Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! |
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Yeah, what he said! or a cat yawl. COnsider a sharpie too!
You're in an area which historically used shoal draft round to flat bottomed schooners too! Learn the joys of depthsounding with a centreboard (or bilgeboards). Don't even think of daggerboards. N1EE wrote: You need a catamarran or a Cat boat There are three pretty catboats in the local marina. One of them needs work, and I've been toying with the idea of getting one--just what I need another boat. I found one that is being offered for free--Hmmm! They have a wide beam, a centerboard. Most use an outboard. I've seen one with an inboard diesel. For shoal draft, you can't beat a centerboard. Bart "katysails" wrote Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... We asked about that and were told that wing keels are not good on the shoals...that they tend to bury themselves and you can't get off without Sea Tow or someone coming to give you a shove.... katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein Never heard that one before. I don't know if it would be feasible, between the cost of conversion and having the boat trucked down there. John Cairns |
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felton unwisely said:
Sounds like a Coronado 27 is in your future..:) Methinks you need to join Scotty in Plowville....you probably thought he chose to be there....not.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Bart said: You need a catamarran or a Cat boat
I'm not much for catamarran's at all but we have talked about a catboat...saw one we really liked at the boat show in February....also thought maybe something like a Point St Jude, which would be great for gunkholing around, too, but still sail nicely....but then, there is that cb Elite sitting down there.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Actually, I kinda liked the shrimp boats....you think they would go if you
rigged sails across all the downriggers? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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John said:
I don't know if it would be feasible, between the cost of conversion and having the boat trucked down there. No..it wouldn't....7k for conversion plus 3K for shipping makes the whole thing unacceptable... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... felton asked: How shallow a draft do you need? They're saying no more than 4 ft...and that's getting "iffy".....the municipal marina is only 5 ft and the mooring fields at low tide are at 4-5.... What is the tidal range? Regards Donal -- |
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Tides on the Florida west coast are about 2 feet. I was very happy to only have
a 3 foot draft when we went through there. Most of the primary channels are 6+ feet, the secondary channels are often 4 feet or less. There are large areas, like Pine Island Sound, which includes the resort islands of Captiva and Sanibel, where a 6 foot draft would only work in the primary channel, and you'd probably take bottom a few times trying to get into the marinas. This holds true south through the Keys. The Florida Bay side of the Keys is largely 5 feet in the channel. Its also crystal clear, so you have the illusion of gliding a few inches above the bottom. "Donal" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message ... felton asked: How shallow a draft do you need? They're saying no more than 4 ft...and that's getting "iffy".....the municipal marina is only 5 ft and the mooring fields at low tide are at 4-5.... What is the tidal range? Regards Donal -- |
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Donal asked:
What is the tidal range? Looks to be between 1 to 1.5 feet depending on whether it's winter or summer... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"katysails" wrote No..it wouldn't....7k for conversion plus 3K for shipping makes the whole thing more than our boat is worth... |
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Do you have jobs lined up for both of you, or just Mr. Sails?
Scotty "katysails" wrote in message ... Sheesh...over 750 posts while I was gone.. Well, here's the news...we won't find out until the end of the week about the job situation, but it looks very good. The bad thing: very very shallow....if we did take Chanteuse down, we'd be sitting on her keel half the time and half to sail 15 miles offshore to find water deep enough for a good sail...The good thing: lots of sailing in the area, just need a much shallower deaft boat...the Fort Myers area isn't nearly as built up as I thought it would be...not anywhere near as "throbbing" as St. Pete/Tampa area...lots of hummocks and estuaries, etc to explore. We stayed on Estero Island (yourist trap...) which is just south of Sanibel (bigger tourist trap) A lady was wading in a canal on Sanibel and offered herself for lunch to a 15 ft alligator who ended up being euthanized for his efforts (heck, if she was dumb enough to wade in a crick...)Went to 3 different nature preserves, rescued a whelk and a sea urchin ( very tricky, sea urchins...trying not to get stung, that is...) watched a pair of dolphins fishing and playing about 30 feet offshore in low tide...really having a grand time of it....found a poor little manta that must have been clobbered by a gas hog...saw the biggest red ant I've ever seen in my life and hope to gravy I never get bit by one....found a cute black snake about 2 ft long with a pretty head (not a pit viper configuration...going to have to look him up in a book...) ate grouper almost every day. Didn't get sunburned until the last day, when I listened to Mr Sails who said: You could stand a bit more sun...Was a big shocker getting off the plane in Grand Rapids at midnight...40F from 87F and cold rain...was ready to het right back on the plane...and then I had to be up at 6am for work this morning! But I had a great time! -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Scotty,
Don't push it, man....you KNOW what could happen.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Scotty asked: Do you have jobs lined up for both of you, or just Mr. Sails?
Just Mr Sails right now...I will have to stay behind and sell the house... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Catboat sailors are not good sailors in general. You'll see evidence of this on their web sites where its stated they never reef or go out when it's windy. http://www.beetlecat.com/reefing.htm What's a Point St Jude? I couldn't find one in a google search. katysails wrote in message ... Bart said: You need a catamarran or a Cat boat I'm not much for catamarran's at all but we have talked about a catboat...saw one we really liked at the boat show in February....also thought maybe something like a Point St Jude, which would be great for gunkholing around, too, but still sail nicely....but then, there is that cb Elite sitting down there.... -- katysails |
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Goodness me, Bart! the Beetle Cat is a 12' boat, even if it is 6'
wide! I think Katy is after a little bigger, somehow. While she refuses even to consider a catboat with the good sailing manners and magic accommodation of the cat yawl Lady Kate, nevertheless a decent sized catboat, say 25', would work extremely well in the waters she's describing, even if the centreboard divides the cabin into two.... Flying Tadpole Skipper extraordinaire at various times of cat schooners, cat boats and cat yawls! Bart Senior wrote: Catboat sailors are not good sailors in general. You'll see evidence of this on their web sites where its stated they never reef or go out when it's windy. http://www.beetlecat.com/reefing.htm |
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Bart Senior wrote:
Catboat sailors are not good sailors in general. Hoo-wee... Bart that is really a wild statement. Would you include Laser sailors in that sweeping generalization?? ... You'll see evidence of this on their web sites where its stated they never reef or go out when it's windy. http://www.beetlecat.com/reefing.htm Well, the Beetle Cat is basically a one-design racing dinghy. True, the design is over 75 years old IIRC, and it is closely modelled on classic catboats of an even earlier era, but it is a one-design racing dinghy. Bigger catboats definitely reef their sails. With the very long boom, it can be a challenge unless cleverly rigged. My family owned a 22' catboat with a 455 SqFt mainsail... I can tell you from personal experience that *some* catboat sailors reef when appropriate. What's a Point St Jude? I couldn't find one in a google search. I don't know of a web site talking about them, but it's a 15' hard chine old fashioned daysailer. Pretty boats, usually with tanbark sails. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Oh. How's the market up your way? Might be faster to burn it and collect
the insurance. SV "katysails" wrote in message ... Scotty asked: Do you have jobs lined up for both of you, or just Mr. Sails? Just Mr Sails right now...I will have to stay behind and sell the house... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Scptty advised:
Might be faster to burn it and collect the insurance. It's brick.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Bart asked: What's a Point St. Jude?
Sorry...my Catholicism getting in the way...anything Jude must be a saint? http://www.pointjude.com/ -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Taddy said:
Goodness me, Bart! What's with the Jaye moniker, Taddy? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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It's brick.... said the 3rd little pig. |
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There's a dealer for them near here. Looked at one while shopping for a
daysailor. Beatifull boat! Scotty "katysails" wrote in message ... Bart asked: What's a Point St. Jude? Sorry...my Catholicism getting in the way...anything Jude must be a saint? http://www.pointjude.com/ -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Wing keels have a tendency to imitate a Bruce anchor. Some on the Chesapeake
have found out that if you go aground with them on mud or sand the wings bury and a tow is frequently the only way to get free. JJ On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:29:47 -0400, "katysails" wrote: John asked: Can you say "wing keel"? We asked about that and were told that wing keels are not good on the shoals...that they tend to bury themselves and you can't get off without Sea Tow or someone coming to give you a shove.... By "Estero Island" did you mean Ft. Myers Beach? Yes...Fort Myers Beach is on Estero Island Did you go to the bird sanctuary on Sanibel? With 15 foot marauding alligators dining on women? Nah.....Went to Lover's Key.... James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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My daughter was using the office computer, sigh.
katysails wrote: Taddy said: Goodness me, Bart! What's with the Jaye moniker, Taddy? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
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In article , katysails
wrote: Scptty advised: Might be faster to burn it and collect the insurance. It's brick.... Not a prob, use more fuel. PDW |
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It's brick....
said the 3rd little pig. If you will remember, that's the one the big bad wolf didn't get to roast for dinner..... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Scotty admitted: There's a dealer for them near here. Looked at one while
shopping for a daysailor. Beatifull boat! Some acquaintances of ours had one for several years...prettiest daysailor I've ever seen and truly functional...they are very expensive, though, but hold their value well. And how many 15 ft boats can you rig with a spinnaker? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I'm quoting them right off their Beettle Cat Web site.
They feely admit their lack of skill. I wouldn't include laser sailors. I'd rate them on the other end of the scale. Bart. DSK wrote Hoo-wee... Bart that is really a wild statement. Would you include Laser sailors in that sweeping generalization?? ... You'll see evidence of this on their web sites where its stated they never reef or go out when it's windy. http://www.beetlecat.com/reefing.htm |
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Tad;
The "Dutch" have done damn well, for years with Leeboards in their thin waters but they don't berth them! OT |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:02:19 -0400, "katysails"
wrote: Bart said: You need a catamarran or a Cat boat I'm not much for catamarran's at all but we have talked about a catboat...saw one we really liked at the boat show in February....also thought maybe something like a Point St Jude, which would be great for gunkholing around, too, but still sail nicely....but then, there is that cb Elite sitting down there.... Here you go. Just hit our local "for sale" newsgroup. http://home.comcast.net/~miller.kirk/macgregor26.html |
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