Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message

Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns


I'll need lots of luck?

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)



Great your gonna need it.




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)



What on a rusty trailer that will warp the thin skin of your macrap

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor. Maybe I missed it. n



Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)


Thats because it to basic right? Stinky portapotty, no AC, what about
a sink drain, what no shower.

So far I haven't planned on AC. So you're right on that point. - Perhaps
later on...




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)


That will cost 10 times to maintain than a proper diesel, and last
1/10 the time. Fuel will cost more, and that prop will be screaming
and overspeeding in any chop at all.


What do you think the maintenance expense will be for the first three
years, Joe? $500? $300?



Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)


See below



Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)


Will flip easy with such a high center or gravity, and the oyster
shell around redfish island going to punch holes in the thin skin.
First wake of a ship in the ship channel going to swamp you.

Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions?


Doubt it, you be insane to take that junk offshore in the first place.
-

Well, I probably won't take it more than 100 miles offshore.

(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph,


True lubber, 18 mph, is that on the trailer?

it has a better

chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)


Better be very conserative Jim, getting caught in just one good squall
off Kemah will kill you.



Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat?


Yes, and finding another sucker to buy it will take you years and
years.

(Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly

exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)


I wonder why less money is needed, perhaps it is because it is worth
LESS.

It's also possible that MacGregor can build more value into the boat
using modern production facilities than other manufacturers who don't.
Like, a Rolls Royce costs 30 times more than a Ford because much of the
work is done by hand. The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

Jim


Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.


Hey Jim, hope to see you racing on the Harvest Moon regetta this
October.
All the real sailors in the Clearlake area prove their boats worth and
ability in the Harvest moon. Most likey I will just see you sailing
inside Clear lake were the waves rarely reach over 8 inches and you
will not be capsized or be swamped. You will be to cool docking at the
boardwalk in your new Mac, I hope you can yell loud enough for your
crew to hear you above all the laughing.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


I want to sail down to Veracruz. Where can I get an entry form?

Jim

You are truly an idiot.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message

Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns


I'll need lots of luck?

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)



Great your gonna need it.




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the
time.)



What on a rusty trailer that will warp the thin skin of your macrap

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor. Maybe I missed it. n



Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)


Thats because it to basic right? Stinky portapotty, no AC, what about
a sink drain, what no shower.

So far I haven't planned on AC. So you're right on that point. - Perhaps
later on...




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)


That will cost 10 times to maintain than a proper diesel, and last
1/10 the time. Fuel will cost more, and that prop will be screaming
and overspeeding in any chop at all.


What do you think the maintenance expense will be for the first three
years, Joe? $500? $300?



Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)


See below



Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)


Will flip easy with such a high center or gravity, and the oyster
shell around redfish island going to punch holes in the thin skin.
First wake of a ship in the ship channel going to swamp you.

Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions?


Doubt it, you be insane to take that junk offshore in the first place.
-

Well, I probably won't take it more than 100 miles offshore.

(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph,


True lubber, 18 mph, is that on the trailer?

it has a better

chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)


Better be very conserative Jim, getting caught in just one good squall
off Kemah will kill you.



Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat?


Yes, and finding another sucker to buy it will take you years and
years.

(Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly

exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)


I wonder why less money is needed, perhaps it is because it is worth
LESS.

It's also possible that MacGregor can build more value into the boat
using modern production facilities than other manufacturers who don't.
Like, a Rolls Royce costs 30 times more than a Ford because much of the
work is done by hand. The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

Jim


Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.


Hey Jim, hope to see you racing on the Harvest Moon regetta this
October.
All the real sailors in the Clearlake area prove their boats worth and
ability in the Harvest moon. Most likey I will just see you sailing
inside Clear lake were the waves rarely reach over 8 inches and you
will not be capsized or be swamped. You will be to cool docking at the
boardwalk in your new Mac, I hope you can yell loud enough for your
crew to hear you above all the laughing.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


I want to sail down to Veracruz. Where can I get an entry form?

Jim

Jim Cate wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message

Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns


I'll need lots of luck?

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)



Great your gonna need it.




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)



What on a rusty trailer that will warp the thin skin of your macrap

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor. Maybe I missed it. n



Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)


Thats because it to basic right? Stinky portapotty, no AC, what about
a sink drain, what no shower.

So far I haven't planned on AC. So you're right on that point. - Perhaps
later on...




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)


That will cost 10 times to maintain than a proper diesel, and last
1/10 the time. Fuel will cost more, and that prop will be screaming
and overspeeding in any chop at all.


What do you think the maintenance expense will be for the first three
years, Joe? $500? $300?



Depends, If you strike a reef you could crack the lower end, that will
be a few grand, bent prop, few hundred, perhaps none, but an outboard
is much more subseptable to easy damage. Also remember the outboard
gas boat that just blew up just off Kemah? Gasoline is very dangerious
on any boat. Just be careful I do not want to read about another boat
off Kemah being blown sky high.




Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)


See below



Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)


Will flip easy with such a high center or gravity, and the oyster
shell around redfish island going to punch holes in the thin skin.
First wake of a ship in the ship channel going to swamp you.

Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.

Beaching is what I was talking about. Have you ever been to Redfish
Isle?
Its a big oyster reef covered with dredge material.



Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions?


Doubt it, you be insane to take that junk offshore in the first place.
-

Well, I probably won't take it more than 100 miles offshore.

You will if you go to Veracruz



(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph,


True lubber, 18 mph, is that on the trailer?

it has a better

chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)


Better be very conserative Jim, getting caught in just one good squall
off Kemah will kill you.



Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat?


Yes, and finding another sucker to buy it will take you years and
years.

(Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly

exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)


I wonder why less money is needed, perhaps it is because it is worth
LESS.

It's also possible that MacGregor can build more value into the boat
using modern production facilities than other manufacturers who don't.
Like, a Rolls Royce costs 30 times more than a Ford because much of the
work is done by hand. The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

Yelp, but your not on a highway with help close by.


Jim


Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.


Hey Jim, hope to see you racing on the Harvest Moon regetta this
October.
All the real sailors in the Clearlake area prove their boats worth and
ability in the Harvest moon. Most likey I will just see you sailing
inside Clear lake were the waves rarely reach over 8 inches and you
will not be capsized or be swamped. You will be to cool docking at the
boardwalk in your new Mac, I hope you can yell loud enough for your
crew to hear you above all the laughing.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


I want to sail down to Veracruz. Where can I get an entry form?

Lakewood Yacht Club. http://www.LYC.com I think, Ive never done the
vera cruz regetta.

I would do the Harvest mooon first before attempting Vera cruz

Joe


Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor.



galvanized????????





Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.


A sandy beach will sand through that bottom in about 22 minutes.





The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

the Ford will sail better than your Mac, too.

SV