I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim

Heh. I was thinking much the same thing about my 12' daysailer. Or my
kayak.

PDW

In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim

Thought of a few others.

In article , Peter Wiley
wrote:

Heh. I was thinking much the same thing about my 12' daysailer. Or my
kayak.

PDW

In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.

SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

..... and you'll never take it into deep water.

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)

..... because it'll sit on the trailer 364 days p/a rotting from ozone.


Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

..... because it has no galley sink, shower or head. IOW it's a
daysailer.


Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

..... which has 1/4 the life expectancy of a diesel engine while using
4X the fuel. Great economics there.


Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Ah, there's a copout. Still, I expect the answer's no, because it won't
get used as a sailboat when you find out what it's like.


Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Also, it's on a trailer in the yard.


Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -

No, because you'll never go offshore.

(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph,

in a flat calm.....

it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

..... because the Mac can't take any weather.


Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

If you can't afford to lose money on a boat, you can't afford a boat.
Simple.

If you can't afford a real boat, you buy what you can afford. If you
can't fix an older boat, that reduces your options. If you really want
a motor boat but like to pretend you're going sailing, I guess you do
what you've done. Seems a lot of people here are getting amusement at
your expense, and you think you're going to win? There's nothing to
win, certainly not a longest thread competition or something equally
idiotic. Shortly this will get x-posted to alt.vampires or similar. We
ran those losers off as soon as their entertainment value ran out but
they're probably good for something. You'll spend your life answering
posts from even bigger losers than Horvath. Or, by your own
definition, you'll get run off. Whatever.

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Off you go, then. See if you can find Neal somewhere out there.

PDW

Scott Vernon wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.



I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, and
having a cabin big enough for several adults and children. - Hardly the
equivalent of a jetski or a kayak. Your comments are ridiculous ont
their face.

Jim


SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.



I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots

No its not. If that's what the salesman told you, he lied. And shame on you
for believing it. The web site was quite emphatic that it could only do that
with no rigging, no ballast, one person on board, in a flat calm. Maybe loaded
up you'll do 12, if its flat.




to a desired destination, and
having a cabin big enough for several adults and children. - Hardly the
equivalent of a jetski or a kayak. Your comments are ridiculous ont
their face.

Jim

Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:


I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.



I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots


No its not. If that's what the salesman told you, he lied. And shame on you
for believing it. The web site was quite emphatic that it could only do that
with no rigging, no ballast, one person on board, in a flat calm. Maybe loaded
up you'll do 12, if its flat.


If you say so, Jeff.

Jim




to a desired destination, and
having a cabin big enough for several adults and children. - Hardly the
equivalent of a jetski or a kayak. Your comments are ridiculous ont
their face.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots


No its not. If that's what the salesman told you, he lied. And shame on
you
for believing it. The web site was quite emphatic that it could only do
that
with no rigging, no ballast, one person on board, in a flat calm. Maybe
loaded
up you'll do 12, if its flat.


If you say so, Jeff.


Its not, its their own web site. First, they claim 22 MPH, which is a bit over
18 knots. But, they admit that's with a stripped boat, one person, no ballast.
They say ballast drops it 3 mph, so we're down to a bit over 15 knots. Then we
have to subtract one knot for each 100 pounds. Start with a mast, rigging and
sails and we're under 14. How about another adult and 2 kids, with food,
clothing, etc. That pretty easily brings it down to 10 knots, and we're still
assuming flat seas. This is still faster than most smaller sailboats, but not
that much faster.

In fact, it really means that if it takes you an hour to get 10 miles to open
water, another boat might take and extra half hour. However, once there,
however, you have a **** poor sailboat. For the same 32K the mac cost, you
could have had a vastly superior used boat.

Jeff Morris wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots


No its not. If that's what the salesman told you, he lied. And shame on

you

for believing it. The web site was quite emphatic that it could only do

that

with no rigging, no ballast, one person on board, in a flat calm. Maybe

loaded

up you'll do 12, if its flat.


If you say so, Jeff.

In other words, with the water ballast and six passengers, in medium
chop, the boat makes about 3 miles per hour under power?

Jim



Its not, its their own web site. First, they claim 22 MPH, which is a bit over
18 knots. But, they admit that's with a stripped boat, one person, no ballast.
They say ballast drops it 3 mph, so we're down to a bit over 15 knots. Then we
have to subtract one knot for each 100 pounds. Start with a mast, rigging and
sails and we're under 14. How about another adult and 2 kids, with food,
clothing, etc. That pretty easily brings it down to 10 knots, and we're still
assuming flat seas. This is still faster than most smaller sailboats, but not
that much faster.

In fact, it really means that if it takes you an hour to get 10 miles to open
water, another boat might take and extra half hour. However, once there,
however, you have a **** poor sailboat. For the same 32K the mac cost, you
could have had a vastly superior used boat.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


In other words, with the water ballast and six passengers, in medium
chop, the boat makes about 3 miles per hour under power?


That what their web sites say. You have to subtract 1 mph for every 100 pounds
carried. I might be willing to give it 4 knots. BTW, if you look on the mac
boards (and ignore the evangelists) you'll find people saying the boat can be
very wet and slow powering into a Chesapeake Bay chop.

There is no doubt this boat has some advantages its tailoring and flat water
powering. It is not an "offshore" boat.

Your face is a ridiculous comment.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only
then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.



I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, and
having a cabin big enough for several adults and children. - Hardly the
equivalent of a jetski or a kayak. Your comments are ridiculous ont
their face.

Jim


SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the
time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim