John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW, your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately
6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you
probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you
thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

I said 30-40 days maximum, but I know I probably didn't hit 30 last year. I
believe I spent more days and more time sailing on other peoples boats last
year, between racing, this recent sail, and an Atlantic crossing in November
I will definitely be doing the same this year. Maybe 2005 before I will
spend 30+ days sailing my boat. Again, you either didn't read my earlier
posts or are selectively remembering what I posted. Unless you are retired
or a full time-cruiser you won't spend as much time sailing as you think you
will. Even full-time cruisers don't spend as much time sailing as they do in
port or at an anchorage. Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much you
love to sail.
John Cairns

"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal
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In article , Donal
wrote:

"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).

Spot on. The only relevance that money has is it determines how much
boat you can get your hands on, or what type. Friend of mine is quite
happy with his 38' ferro sloop, for example. It's a sound boat, cost
him little and will sell for less, a fact he knew up front. Meanwhile
he's sailing.

PDW

Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).

- it's time for you to find a brain

And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

Nah... there are plenty of otherwise homeless people who "own"
boats in this area. They live on them until either finding something
better, the boat sinks, or they get hassled by the local authorities.

Of course, the rest is true.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

That reminds me, any guesses as to where Neal is?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nah... there are plenty of otherwise homeless people who "own"
boats in this area. They live on them until either finding something
better, the boat sinks, or they get hassled by the local authorities.

Of course, the rest is true.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news
Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

Probably in jail or on a shoal somewhere.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
That reminds me, any guesses as to where Neal is?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nah... there are plenty of otherwise homeless people who "own"
boats in this area. They live on them until either finding something
better, the boat sinks, or they get hassled by the local authorities.

Of course, the rest is true.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
And now for the real world:

Money has everything to do with boat ownership. Very few with out
funds own boats.

Money determines the boat size, style and age.
Money determines how much maintenence you perform.
Money determines how you equip the boat.
Money determines the amount and quality of upgrades.
Money determines when and how often you use the boat.
Money determines where you keep the boat.

If you have a work boat, of course its about the money.
If you have a pleasure boat, likewise.



On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:47:18 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"John Cairns" wrote in message
news
Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how
much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal

Jeff asked: That reminds me, any guesses as to where Neal is?

Bahamas....under a banana tree....

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