Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case, but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote
"Yawn" is the response I get a lot.

I'm sure


Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.


Well, there's the problem, you spoke to 'boat owners' and not 'sailors'.



Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. -


Not if they own a Mac26X.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:37 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote
"Yawn" is the response I get a lot.

I'm sure


Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.


Well, there's the problem, you spoke to 'boat owners' and not 'sailors'.



Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. -


Not if they own a Mac26X.

You have obviously made the mistake of comparing the Mac26X with the
"New and Improved" Mac26M. Apparently Macgregor has completely
designed the 26X, generally regarded as one of the most laughable
piece of crap boats on the market to a yacht that some buyers are
considering as an alternative to the Valiant If you are wondering
how to tell the difference between the "old" and the "new" 26, the new
ones are apparently blue or red and the old ones are generally white.
I am not certain when the option of a carbon fiber spar will be made
available for the Mac...that is what I am waiting for

By the way, I was forced to use one of those firberglass portapotties
at the park the other day and I was a bit surprised to see that they
are made by Macgregor. It was apparently the 7V, or 7' Vertical
model. It seemed to be better built than their line of
boats...probably faster under sail as well

See... I was right. He bought the piece of junk as is now trying to
justify the purchase.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case, but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently. Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated. As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

Jim

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case,

It *is* the case.

but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently.

Then they shouldn't have bought a boat, they should charter one when
they have time and let someone else wear the expenses when it's idle.

Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.

So what? I did this with SCUBA diving and a number of
otherhobbies/activities. Didn't stop me from doing them & enjoying
them. I didn't stop because of money tied up, I stopped because I
wanted to do something different. Hell, I own a 600 acre place in
another state that I get to a couple times a year. I don't bother
thinking about opportunity costs etc etc.

As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

Yeah - your opinion. Fact is, most of us here simply don't care. That
makes you the odd one out on this n/g. Your problem, IOW, not ours.
Find another n/g more simpatico rather than ranting here.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

You *did* buy what everyone here advised against? Enjoy.........

PDW

The guy sounds a bit like bob. Wonder if it's him trolling? Bob always
cared more about how much a boat costs or what he could make on it than the
actualy sailing. He also was into counting his cute little day sails as
sailing time and bragging about it.

SV

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:
*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over.
We
don't care.




"Yawn" is the response you would like to pretend is the case,

It *is* the case.

but in my
experience, its not the truth. Boat owners I speak with DO concern
themselves with the fact that they pay their money to the marinas and
the insurance company and various other expenses, but can only sail
infrequently.

Then they shouldn't have bought a boat, they should charter one when
they have time and let someone else wear the expenses when it's idle.

Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated.

So what? I did this with SCUBA diving and a number of
otherhobbies/activities. Didn't stop me from doing them & enjoying
them. I didn't stop because of money tied up, I stopped because I
wanted to do something different. Hell, I own a 600 acre place in
another state that I get to a couple times a year. I don't bother
thinking about opportunity costs etc etc.

As I mentioned previously, I'm not saying
that this (time spent sailing per dollar spent) is the only, or even the
primary consideration. - Some people seem to enjoy owning a boat so that
they can talk about it on this ng. - But it is ONE factor that should be
taken into consideration, IMO.

Yeah - your opinion. Fact is, most of us here simply don't care. That
makes you the odd one out on this n/g. Your problem, IOW, not ours.
Find another n/g more simpatico rather than ranting here.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

Nope. Wrong again.

You *did* buy what everyone here advised against? Enjoy.........

PDW

Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

None of those people are regulars here. Those are hobby sailors...they
haven't committed. And anyone who looks at sailing as a financial
proposition where you can get out fiscally solvent is a fool. It does
happen once in a while...we made a profit on both the O'Days...but in
reality, you're putting your money into the enjoyment of sailing and "being
there".
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"katysails" wrote ...
Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

I could say the same thing about my wife. But I won't.

Scotty

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"katysails" wrote ...
Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

I could say the same thing about my wife. But I won't.

Is that your wife's fault? ........... or yours?




Regards

Donal
--

Donal, I thought YOU were married, of course it's my fault. Everything is my
fault.

I'm sorry.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"katysails" wrote ...
Jim observed:

-- Many of them seem to find their use tapering off over
time, and finally selling their boat after realizing they aren't using
it as they had anticipated

I could say the same thing about my wife. But I won't.

Is that your wife's fault? ........... or yours?




Regards

Donal
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