Jim said: Otherwise they would simply ignore my comments and move on to
another
topic.

You gotta be kidding....ignore a newbie rube? You really need to read the
archives of this ng....I vote that you get the ASA Naivety Award for this
year...

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW, your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns

John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW, your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


John Cairns wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim


Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately
6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you
probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you
thought
you would.
John Cairns


Congratulations! Sounds like you are really enjoying your boat and
getting the sailing experience you had hoped for.

Jim

I said 30-40 days maximum, but I know I probably didn't hit 30 last year. I
believe I spent more days and more time sailing on other peoples boats last
year, between racing, this recent sail, and an Atlantic crossing in November
I will definitely be doing the same this year. Maybe 2005 before I will
spend 30+ days sailing my boat. Again, you either didn't read my earlier
posts or are selectively remembering what I posted. Unless you are retired
or a full time-cruiser you won't spend as much time sailing as you think you
will. Even full-time cruisers don't spend as much time sailing as they do in
port or at an anchorage. Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much you
love to sail.
John Cairns

"John Cairns" wrote in message
news

Owning a sailboat is not a "rational" decision, it
is just something that you do or don't do, depending mainly on how much
you
love to sail.



Wise words!


Boat ownership is nothing at all to do with money (for real sailors).



Regards


Donal
--

I recently filled out a web survey for 'National Boater Panel ', with the
promise of a $20 coupon for WM. They asked about boat usage per season and
such. Will post the results when I get them.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately 6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you thought
you would.
John Cairns

I said 30-40 days maximum, but I know I probably didn't hit 30 last year. I
believe I spent more days and more time sailing on other peoples boats last
year, between racing, this recent sail, and an Atlantic crossing I will
definitely be doing the same this year. Maybe 2005 before I will spend 30+
days sailing my boat.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I recently filled out a web survey for 'National Boater Panel ', with the
promise of a $20 coupon for WM. They asked about boat usage per season
and
such. Will post the results when I get them.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote

Okay, try this. 30-40 days maximum in a season that lasts approximately
6
months. Not 30-40 24 hour days, 30-40 times a season maximum. And, BTW,
your
question was irrelevant, as explained, this (sailboat ownership) is
something that is a function of disposable income. If you think you have
to
justify owning a sailboat based on the amount you use it then you
probably
shouldn't buy one, because you will never sail it as often as you
thought
you would.
John Cairns

*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates, guesses?

Jim

Nah, he already bought it and is looking for validation of his stupid
move.

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

*Yawn*. The logical conclusion is one you were told many times over. We
don't care.

I assume you've decided not to buy a boat sice you can't get anyone to
agree with your approach.

PDW

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

To summarize the discussion following this question, 95% of the
responses were to the effect that my question was not relevant, or, for
some reason or another, shouldn't have been asked in the first place.
Almost no one was willing to answer the question direclty.

This naturally raises the question, why? What's the problem? The
logical conclusion is that this is an issue most sailors would prefer to
ignore.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


As discussed in other subject strings, I'm looking at 30 to 35-foot
used
boats such as Cals, O'Days, Catalinas, etc. My intended use would be
for
day sailing and sailing offshore near the coast in the Texas Gulf. As
mentioned, offshore sailing would probably require four or five days
in
our area because of the distances involved.

Although I know it all depends on the person, the crew, the
circumstances, the boat, etc., have there been any studies or surveys
that might provide some idea of how many days of sailing per year an
owner of such a boat typically gets, particularly after the first
year?
Again, it's obvious that it all depends, on the person, the
individual
circumstances, his work load, etc., and that there can be no
generalizations. (No need to tell me this. - It's pretty
self-evident.)
Still, there may have been some polls or surveys, or at least, some
general experience and consensus regarding the question. The reason
for
asking is that, though I'm anxious to get out to the blue water, I'm
wondering whether I would be the exception to what seems to be the
general rule in this area, in which the boats seem to sit in their
slips
for 99.9 percent of the time. For example, one of the brokers I spoke
with last week bragged that the owner of that boat had only taken the
boat out some 10-12 times in the past ten years. - Any estimates,
guesses?

Jim

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

Nah, he already bought it and is looking for validation of his stupid
move.

Hey, you were right! He probably bought it before his first post here
and hasn't been able to bring himself to admit it.

I've never even seen one of these things, doubt they'd go well in
Hobart where we can get 40+ knots up the channel.

PDW