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Well Katy, he did say that he'd be taking it out in all wind speeds
up to about 70kts., so I don't think we have to worry about him!

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"katysails" wrote in message
...
Jim admits BIG sailing boo-boo:
I do acknowledge that I don't have
personal experience sailing one of the new 26M models

You actually bought a boat that you did not test sail????I don't care
whether it's a Mac 26M or a Swan 50...you don't buy a boat without sailing
it first....DUMB thing to do...really DUMB....So, if when you get this
boat
and you hate how it sails, hate the stiffness, hate the fussiness of the
ballast tanks, etc. are you going to admit that to us?
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

Now please. I've been saying he's an idiot from the beginning.

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jim Cate wrote:

This particular point is well taken. I do acknowledge that I don't
have personal experience sailing one of the new 26M models. I'm
basing my decision on comments from 26M owners and from experience on
previous Macs.

You bought a 20K boat and you haven't even tried one out?


Well, your right that I don't intend to go out in heavy weather very
often. Nothing over 70 knots, in any case.

What a ridiculously blatant troll - you're going to take a beginner's boat
out in a hurricane, are you?

You are Capt RB and I claim my five pounds.


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No. She means you're a dummy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


katysails wrote:

Jim, what I consider significant is the fact that you keep rambling on
and
on about your particularly bad ouece of plastic, and like many persons
of
the arrogant persuasion, you're going to make the rule that the last
laugh
laughs best...ain't going to happen. You should have seen the watning
signs
from the group members, humbled yourself, with a heh...ok si I sail a
Mac,
but I do sail admission, and we would have let you go. By continuuing
to
pursue this discussion, you have brought down the forces of the ng
against
you and it will continue until someone drives you into making a TOS
violation. Then you will go bye-bye.

In other words, you haven't been able to intimidate me so far, and you
don't like it. Is that what you mean?

Jim

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

Jim:
Is that what you mean?

Nope...intimidation is not my style....I figure we'll just bore you to
tears....
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Jim Cate wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

Jim Cate wrote in message

Good luck, you'll need it.
John Cairns


I'll need lots of luck?

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)



Great your gonna need it.




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the time.)



What on a rusty trailer that will warp the thin skin of your macrap

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor. Maybe I missed it. n



Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)


Thats because it to basic right? Stinky portapotty, no AC, what about
a sink drain, what no shower.

So far I haven't planned on AC. So you're right on that point. - Perhaps
later on...




Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)


That will cost 10 times to maintain than a proper diesel, and last
1/10 the time. Fuel will cost more, and that prop will be screaming
and overspeeding in any chop at all.


What do you think the maintenance expense will be for the first three
years, Joe? $500? $300?



Depends, If you strike a reef you could crack the lower end, that will
be a few grand, bent prop, few hundred, perhaps none, but an outboard
is much more subseptable to easy damage. Also remember the outboard
gas boat that just blew up just off Kemah? Gasoline is very dangerious
on any boat. Just be careful I do not want to read about another boat
off Kemah being blown sky high.




Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)


See below



Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)


Will flip easy with such a high center or gravity, and the oyster
shell around redfish island going to punch holes in the thin skin.
First wake of a ship in the ship channel going to swamp you.

Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.

Beaching is what I was talking about. Have you ever been to Redfish
Isle?
Its a big oyster reef covered with dredge material.



Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions?


Doubt it, you be insane to take that junk offshore in the first place.
-

Well, I probably won't take it more than 100 miles offshore.

You will if you go to Veracruz



(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph,


True lubber, 18 mph, is that on the trailer?

it has a better

chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)


Better be very conserative Jim, getting caught in just one good squall
off Kemah will kill you.



Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat?


Yes, and finding another sucker to buy it will take you years and
years.

(Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly

exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)


I wonder why less money is needed, perhaps it is because it is worth
LESS.

It's also possible that MacGregor can build more value into the boat
using modern production facilities than other manufacturers who don't.
Like, a Rolls Royce costs 30 times more than a Ford because much of the
work is done by hand. The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

Yelp, but your not on a highway with help close by.


Jim


Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.


Hey Jim, hope to see you racing on the Harvest Moon regetta this
October.
All the real sailors in the Clearlake area prove their boats worth and
ability in the Harvest moon. Most likey I will just see you sailing
inside Clear lake were the waves rarely reach over 8 inches and you
will not be capsized or be swamped. You will be to cool docking at the
boardwalk in your new Mac, I hope you can yell loud enough for your
crew to hear you above all the laughing.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


I want to sail down to Veracruz. Where can I get an entry form?

Lakewood Yacht Club. http://www.LYC.com I think, Ive never done the
vera cruz regetta.

I would do the Harvest mooon first before attempting Vera cruz

Joe


Jim

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

"Jim Cate" scribbled furiously
...

Thanks for the warnings. - I do intend to limit my sailing to winds of
70-knots or less.

If you check the prices on Mac 26Ms, with 50 hp motors, you will be
surprised to find the prices holding rather well.

made a 98 on their 130-question test.

What I described was a keel boat going aground

Also, with all the money we
save ont he boat, we will be able to stop in some pretty nice marinas
and stay in some nice hotels when we want to.


Mainly doing self favor, snipping all of the miscellaneous bits........

Not in any particular order.............
1. Charts-they have all kinds of interesting info, like water depths, for
example.

2. The overwhelming majority of folks who drown in boating accidents do so
BECAUSE THEY FALL OVERBOARD.
You can fill a mac with enough flotation to levitate it off the surface of
the water, still won't prevent you from falling overboard, and drowning.

3. You can't prove you've sailed in winds of 30 kts., much less 70.

4. A gazillion(great word, ain't it) used boats out there and you claim you
can't find any that meet your needs as well as a mac.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

5. http://www.sungrill.com/Sailboat/MacGregor26X.htm#2001 A fabulous
investment, no doubt, all these newer macs are for sale because folks are
just dying to upgrade to a 26M!

6. I guess all your "clients" are innocent, Jax must have been mistaken when
he got you mixed up with that aluminum siding salesman. Off point, though
probably true and worth repeating.

7. The $14,000 in initial depreciation would pay for quite a few years at
most marinas, not to mention hotels. Again, I've pointed this out before,
you act as if the words in the mac sales literature came from a burning
bush. I can assure you(you'll have to trust me on this) they did not. BTW,
we've had enough macaniacs stumble in here before that liked to quote the
mac sales literature, I can assure you, we've heard it all before, didn't
add up then, doesn't now.

8. And of course, you admitted as much yourself, why would a 26' sailboat
with the sail area of a typical queen-sized bedsheet need a sturdy rig.
Which is what we've been trying to tell you all along. You will be extremely
disappointed with how a mac SAILS!!!!!!!!! This is a SAILING ng and that is
precisely the point. Roger likes to say that the mac powersailers "sail
better than a powerboat and motor better than a sailboat" Think CAREFULLY
about that first line, "sails better than a powerboat" What do you think
he's trying to tell you?

9. Yes, you are correct, doing well on an ASA multiple guess test proves
absolutely nothing.

John Cairns

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

a pair, actually.
:o

"Donal" wrote

I believe that he also kept a particularily attractive sheep in his
garden
shed (for recreational purposes!).




Regards


Donal
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30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

I really admire your trolling skills.

Scotty


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

I could buy a jetski and make the same statements that you did, only
then I
wouldn't really be sailing, and neither will you.



I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, and
having a cabin big enough for several adults and children. - Hardly the
equivalent of a jetski or a kayak. Your comments are ridiculous ont
their face.

Jim


SV

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Am I going to be swamped? Is my Mac going to sink to the bottom of the
bay? (Actually, no. The Mac has enough flotation to keep the boat and
multiple passengers afloat.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 for blister treatment and bottom
refinishing? (Nope. Not if the boat is out of the water most of the
time.)

Am I going to have stuck through-hulls, and rising water from an unknown
leak in a hose connected to one of the throughull valves? (Nope. The
hull doesn't need them.)

Am I going to have to spend $5,000 overhauling the diesel? (Nope. It
comes with a new outboard.)

Is the boat going to capsize, or is the standing rigging going to come
loose such that the boat founders or flips over? (I haven't seen many
news reports this year about any Mac sailors losing their lives.)

Am I going to go aground, and is the boat going to flip over on its
side and require expensive rescue services? (Probably not, since it can
float in 12 inches of water or can be motored onto a beach if desired.)

Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat. - I'll
also pay careful attention to weather conditions, of course, and intend
to be more conservative about going out in marginal conditions.)

Do I need to plan on loosing lots and lots of money from depreciation of
the boat? (Perhaps. But demand for the new model continues to greatly
exceed the supply. By comparison, most of the displacement boats we
looked at had depreciated over 80% to 90%, when adjusted for inflation.
Also, less money is being committed in the first place, so there is less
on the table that could be lost.)

Of course, it's also possible that the earth may get hit in the next few
months by an invisible space ship heading our way from somewhere in the
Virgo constellation, initiating a new 1,000-year ice age. - Gee. Hope my
luck holds out and I can get some sailing in before the impact.

Jim

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

"Jim Cate" wrote

Didn't see any rust on the (galvanized) trailor.



galvanized????????





Not if I beach the boat on the island, or anchor in the leeward side.


A sandy beach will sand through that bottom in about 22 minutes.





The Ford can still get me to work or accross the
country quietly and comfortably.

the Ford will sail better than your Mac, too.

SV

30 to 35-foot boats, days used?
 

"Jim Cate" wrote ..

Also, with all the money we
save ont he boat, we will be able to stop in some pretty nice marinas
and stay in some nice hotels when we want to.


Sorry Jimbo, all the nicer marinas have big signs the read ''No Macs allowed
due to insurance regs.''.



and motor back ahead of the weather,


How lubbery!



I happen to be an attorney,

nough said.