Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,
and in the same price range as the Mac 26 or lower, there are some nice
boats in the 32 to 34 foot range. I prefer a responsive, relatively
fast coastal cruiser rather than a heavy, ocean passage blue water boat,
and the Cal 34's and O'Day 34's seem to meet those requisites. There are
also some C&C's, Catalinas, Columbias, Hunters, etc., in the same
general price range, and others, such as the Sabres, Newports, Benetau,
Cheoy Lee, etc, that seem to be more expensive.

As far as cruising speed in typical ( e.g., 15 - 20 knot) winds, under
full normal jib and main, average load, and equally experienced
captains, etc., would there be a significant difference in speed or
handling between the Cal and O'Day, both being in good condition and
similarly equipped? The (1978) Cal 34-III has a waterline of 26 ft, and
the (1983) O'Day has a 28'9" waterline, according to the spec sheets.
Plugging this into the formula (square root of wl times 1.34), I get a
predicted hull speed for the O'Day of around 7.185 knots, and 6.833
knots for the Cal. In actual practice, would this be close to what I
would see under most cruising conditions? The O'Day, at 11,500 lb., is
slightly heavier than the Cal and has a draft of 5'7", LOA 34, beam
11'3", compared with 10,200 lb., draft 4'9", LOA 33'6", and beam 9'3"
for the Cal.

Can anyone provide some comments on or comparisons of the sailing
characteristics of these two boats? It's my understanding that the Cal
may be somewhat more of a racing boat, responsive but a bit more tender,
and the O'Day may be a little stiffer but steady under heavy winds. For
example, I recall seeing over 9 knots on a 40-ft Valiant we sailed in
the Gulf under 15-20 knot winds, which I think was more than its
predicted hull speed.

Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.

Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Buy the Mac.



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,
and in the same price range as the Mac 26 or lower, there are some nice
boats in the 32 to 34 foot range. I prefer a responsive, relatively
fast coastal cruiser rather than a heavy, ocean passage blue water boat,
and the Cal 34's and O'Day 34's seem to meet those requisites. There are
also some C&C's, Catalinas, Columbias, Hunters, etc., in the same
general price range, and others, such as the Sabres, Newports, Benetau,
Cheoy Lee, etc, that seem to be more expensive.

As far as cruising speed in typical ( e.g., 15 - 20 knot) winds, under
full normal jib and main, average load, and equally experienced
captains, etc., would there be a significant difference in speed or
handling between the Cal and O'Day, both being in good condition and
similarly equipped? The (1978) Cal 34-III has a waterline of 26 ft, and
the (1983) O'Day has a 28'9" waterline, according to the spec sheets.
Plugging this into the formula (square root of wl times 1.34), I get a
predicted hull speed for the O'Day of around 7.185 knots, and 6.833
knots for the Cal. In actual practice, would this be close to what I
would see under most cruising conditions? The O'Day, at 11,500 lb., is
slightly heavier than the Cal and has a draft of 5'7", LOA 34, beam
11'3", compared with 10,200 lb., draft 4'9", LOA 33'6", and beam 9'3"
for the Cal.

Can anyone provide some comments on or comparisons of the sailing
characteristics of these two boats? It's my understanding that the Cal
may be somewhat more of a racing boat, responsive but a bit more tender,
and the O'Day may be a little stiffer but steady under heavy winds. For
example, I recall seeing over 9 knots on a 40-ft Valiant we sailed in
the Gulf under 15-20 knot winds, which I think was more than its
predicted hull speed.

Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.

Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at the SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

"Bobsprit" wrote ...
Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

or a boat buyer asking ''how high can a stern ladder be?''.

S

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

The Cal may be a better made boat, but the O'Day is much larger, and might
possibly be a more comfortable cruiser, and might even be faster in stronger
winds. The SA/Disp would give the Cal a boost in light air, but I think the
O'Day would walk away on a typical race course.

However, what's the real goal? Being 10 seconds faster per mile only gets you
to an anchorage a few minutes earlier. What's the purpose of this boat? Is it
racing, or taking the grandkids out for a cruise? If its the latter, than
issues like the size of the cockpit and stiffness may be more important.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at the SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

If you know how to interpret the #'s, try this instead, they do most of the
calculations for you.
http://www.phrf-nb.org/year2002/ratings/PHRFratings.htm
John Cairns
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,
and in the same price range as the Mac 26 or lower, there are some nice
boats in the 32 to 34 foot range. I prefer a responsive, relatively
fast coastal cruiser rather than a heavy, ocean passage blue water boat,
and the Cal 34's and O'Day 34's seem to meet those requisites. There are
also some C&C's, Catalinas, Columbias, Hunters, etc., in the same
general price range, and others, such as the Sabres, Newports, Benetau,
Cheoy Lee, etc, that seem to be more expensive.

As far as cruising speed in typical ( e.g., 15 - 20 knot) winds, under
full normal jib and main, average load, and equally experienced
captains, etc., would there be a significant difference in speed or
handling between the Cal and O'Day, both being in good condition and
similarly equipped? The (1978) Cal 34-III has a waterline of 26 ft, and
the (1983) O'Day has a 28'9" waterline, according to the spec sheets.
Plugging this into the formula (square root of wl times 1.34), I get a
predicted hull speed for the O'Day of around 7.185 knots, and 6.833
knots for the Cal. In actual practice, would this be close to what I
would see under most cruising conditions? The O'Day, at 11,500 lb., is
slightly heavier than the Cal and has a draft of 5'7", LOA 34, beam
11'3", compared with 10,200 lb., draft 4'9", LOA 33'6", and beam 9'3"
for the Cal.

Can anyone provide some comments on or comparisons of the sailing
characteristics of these two boats? It's my understanding that the Cal
may be somewhat more of a racing boat, responsive but a bit more tender,
and the O'Day may be a little stiffer but steady under heavy winds. For
example, I recall seeing over 9 knots on a 40-ft Valiant we sailed in
the Gulf under 15-20 knot winds, which I think was more than its
predicted hull speed.

Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.

Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Bobsprit wrote:

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at the SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would vary
significantly depending on what sails were set?

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.
Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Bob is an expert at everything.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at the
SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope
buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would vary
significantly depending on what sails were set?

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.
Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.


Not an "expert" but I've been an avid amatuer for 20 years. I currently use a
Celestron 9.25. I do most of my observing in PA where darker skies still
prevail. I used to use a Dynascope RV6, Celestron 8 and Questar Duplex. I've
used a lot of scopes and do consider myself an armchair expert when it comes to
scope buying.

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

SA/D is generally based on a 100% jib, unless otherwise indicated. It's just
one additional piece of the puzzle when roughly predicting how a given design
will perform.

http://www.sailingusa.info/cal__sad_ratio.htm

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

How far can you see with that one?

"Bobsprit" wrote


Not an "expert" but I've been an avid amatuer for 20 years. I currently
use a
Celestron 9.25. I do most of my observing in PA where darker skies still
prevail. I used to use a Dynascope RV6, Celestron 8 and Questar Duplex.
I've
used a lot of scopes and do consider myself an armchair expert when it
comes to
scope buying.

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Like I said... an expert and a WINNER.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.


Not an "expert" but I've been an avid amatuer for 20 years. I currently
use a
Celestron 9.25. I do most of my observing in PA where darker skies still
prevail. I used to use a Dynascope RV6, Celestron 8 and Questar Duplex.
I've
used a lot of scopes and do consider myself an armchair expert when it
comes to
scope buying.

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

No he is not.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Bob is an expert at everything.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at
the
SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to
learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time
telescope
buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would vary
significantly depending on what sails were set?

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.
Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

If you can or can't prove it, then he will claim he is.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
No he is not.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Bob is an expert at everything.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at
the
SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to
learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time
telescope
buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would vary
significantly depending on what sails were set?

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.
Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Jim,

The Cal will do a horizon job on the O'Day. That doesn't mean the O'Day
is a Slug. The Cal is a pretty fast boat. I've sail in a fleet with a
Cal 34 sail by a club member. He put new sails on her and won the
"TransPac" overall on handicap. It is also a better built vessel and
cruises well.

So does the O'Day ( Cruise Well) but in my mind, the Cal is a better
boat. As you say, the O'day is roomier and it certainly not a badly
built vessel. It may be the but for you. They don't have to apologise
for quality or sailing ability but isn't in the same class with the Cal
34.

Ole Thom
P/S got your post about "The Institute" I'm afraid I am quite a bit
before your time. My biggest memory is the Library there and the
thickness of those wall at the Gun port/windows.

Ole Thom

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

I wouldn't argue with your claim that the Cal is better built than the O'Day,
which I've always considered a notch or two below Pearsons, etc. in quality.
But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact, its PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own very nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jim,

The Cal will do a horizon job on the O'Day. That doesn't mean the O'Day
is a Slug. The Cal is a pretty fast boat. I've sail in a fleet with a
Cal 34 sail by a club member. He put new sails on her and won the
"TransPac" overall on handicap. It is also a better built vessel and
cruises well.

So does the O'Day ( Cruise Well) but in my mind, the Cal is a better
boat. As you say, the O'day is roomier and it certainly not a badly
built vessel. It may be the but for you. They don't have to apologise
for quality or sailing ability but isn't in the same class with the Cal
34.

Ole Thom
P/S got your post about "The Institute" I'm afraid I am quite a bit
before your time. My biggest memory is the Library there and the
thickness of those wall at the Gun port/windows.

Ole Thom

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Jeff Morris wrote:
I wouldn't argue with your claim that the Cal is better built than the O'Day,
which I've always considered a notch or two below Pearsons, etc. in quality.

O'Day build quality varied a lot over the years. Actually so did
Pearson, they were each owned by several different companies over time
and built in several different facilities.

The O'Days I have most experience with are the smaller ones, except for
the center cockpit 37. That boat is built very solidly, but the details
and fitting out leave something to be desired. Some of their smaller
boats were quite well done. Others were flimsy crap. Seemed to vary
widely and I don't know what years (or corporate ownership) were the
good ones.

In general, I agree that Pearsons are a bit above the average for
mass-produced boats, in some regards. Cal also, and more consistent...

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact, its PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own very nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The O'Day probably has a considerably more optimized cabin layout too.
They adopted some innovations that Cal ignored.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact, its PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own very nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,
snip
Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.

You need to keep looking.


When you find the boat that is right for you, you will want it so badly,
that you will get stomach cramps.

If you feel the need to seek our opinions, then you haven't found the boat
that is right for *you*.


Regards


Donal
--

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Now, THAT may be true, but the bogus info and half truths betray his actual
knowledge of most subjects.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
If you can or can't prove it, then he will claim he is.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
No he is not.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Bob is an expert at everything.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look
at
the
SA/D
ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to
learn.
Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time
telescope
buyer
asking "how far a scope can see."

RB

How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would
vary
significantly depending on what sails were set?

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be
one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.
Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
...
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact, its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact, its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to dinner that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

TMI

"JAXAshby" wrote ...
boy, you guys are my wet dream

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in the land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Yup. I was right. You never graduated from jr. high.

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www.sailnow.com
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Bobsprit wrote:

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.


Not an "expert" but I've been an avid amatuer for 20 years. I currently use a
Celestron 9.25. I do most of my observing in PA where darker skies still
prevail. I used to use a Dynascope RV6, Celestron 8 and Questar Duplex. I've
used a lot of scopes and do consider myself an armchair expert when it comes to
scope buying.

RB

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.
I also have one the new Meade autoguided systems. I'm hoping to
finish the Messier list this year. - Don't think this would work on a
boat, but binocular observing should be good off shore.

Jim

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.


Wow! That's a big piece of glass! Congrats. Something like that would be too
much for me, but I love looking through the big scopes.
Yeah, astronomy via scopes won't work well on a boat and I'd sooner keep good
optics clear of salt water. Last summer we did okay anchored in Oyster
Bay...lying on the fordeck and counting meteors.

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

I also have one the new Meade autoguided systems. I'm hoping to
finish the Messier list this year. - Don't think this would work on a
boat, but binocular observing should be good off shore.

I'm a big anti-meade guy! Celestron all the way for SCTs!

RB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Donal wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,

snip

Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.


You need to keep looking.


When you find the boat that is right for you, you will want it so badly,
that you will get stomach cramps.

If you feel the need to seek our opinions, then you haven't found the boat
that is right for *you*.


Regards


Actually, I am tempted by a nice '78 34-ft Cal that's seems to be in
good condition and that's being offered at a reasonable price. This
boat is christened "Delilah," and the temptation is really getting to
me. (Guess I should be careful not to let my hair grow too long!) There
are also several other boats in this price range.

Delilah has a relatively shallow draft, under 5 feet, which would be
advantageous in our bay complex. This is the *** III model, which I
understand was a later production run that incorporated some
improvements over the earlier models. I think that it would be somewhat
more tender than the O'Day, but probably more fun to sail in light to
medium winds. The problem, again, is that it would take 5 hours to
motor down to Galveston and get to some blue water, and, for several
reasons, leaving it at a marina in Galveston introduces some problems.

Jim



Donal
--

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.

Understand?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

We understand perfectly what you are.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can
tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.

Understand?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment "
or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding
their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous
yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover
your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out
to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht
broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also
very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions.
In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

That sounds impressive. How far can you see with it?

SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly.

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Scott Vernon wrote:
That sounds impressive. How far can you see with it?

SV

Real far.
Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly.

Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
 

Bobsprit wrote:

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.


Wow! That's a big piece of glass! Congrats. Something like that would be too
much for me, but I love looking through the big scopes.

My wife and I recently built a new Dob truss tube system for the scope
and installed the 16-inch mirror and other optics in it. It can be set
up or collapsed into a 2x2' package in a few minutes and then rolled
around easily on a "wheelbarrow" arrangment. - So, it's easy to store in
a small space and to load in a van or pickup for transport.

Yeah, astronomy via scopes won't work well on a boat and I'd sooner keep good
optics clear of salt water. Last summer we did okay anchored in Oyster
Bay...lying on the fordeck and counting meteors.

RB

I'll leave my good binos at home.

Jim