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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
"we" kemosabee? are *you* pregnant?
We understand perfectly what you are. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. Understand? "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of understanding once. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. Understand? From: "The Carrolls" Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: You're repeating your self again old fella. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in the land. Let me add, "Deservedly so". Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or "recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't, they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their price nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht broker in the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your money". Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to dinner that night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup". Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20 year old boats don't depreciate much. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out there. Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem to come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers with similar numbers. wrote in message .. . On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
you worried, jax?
"JAXAshby" wrote ... "we" kemosabee? are *you* pregnant? We understand perfectly what you are. -- "j" ganz @@ |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
Obviously, you want to have sex with guys. I'm not interested,
but I'm sure you can get what you want if you try hard enough (no pun intended). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "we" kemosabee? are *you* pregnant? We understand perfectly what you are. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. Understand? "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of understanding once. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. you're a fool. Understand? From: "The Carrolls" Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: You're repeating your self again old fella. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in the land. Let me add, "Deservedly so". Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or "recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays don't, they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their price nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research before shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht broker in the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your money". Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to dinner that night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup". Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your research. 20 year old boats don't depreciate much. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker out there. Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very few seem to come to market, compared to the numbers built and other manufacturers with similar numbers. wrote in message .. . On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
Hahahaa... he must have mistaken me for his boyfriend.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... you worried, jax? "JAXAshby" wrote ... "we" kemosabee? are *you* pregnant? We understand perfectly what you are. -- "j" ganz @@ |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... If you feel the need to seek our opinions, then you haven't found the boat that is right for *you*. snip Delilah has a relatively shallow draft, under 5 feet, which would be advantageous in our bay complex. This is the *** III model, which I understand was a later production run that incorporated some improvements over the earlier models. I think that it would be somewhat more tender than the O'Day, but probably more fun to sail in light to medium winds. The problem, again, is that it would take 5 hours to motor down to Galveston and get to some blue water, and, for several reasons, leaving it at a marina in Galveston introduces some problems. I don't know the area at all. I assume that you are up a river????? My experience suggests that you are much better off if you can keep the boat near your sailing area. I used to keep my boat in a truly beautiful location, at the top of Chichester Harbour. The whole area is a protected nature reserve. However, it took an hour to get to the sea (and another to get back). We moved to a marina that is 100 yards from the sea because I realised that we would use the boat much more. The main effect of the move, is that our sailing season has changed from 6 months to 12 months. We can now go for a sail when the weather is a bit "iffy" because it is easier to turn back. In the old marina, we didn't bother going out if there was a possibility that the weather could turn, because we might not even get to the sea before we would have to turn back. You mentioned earlier that you were hoping to take some kids out sailing. IMHO, they are unlikely to cope with 10 hours of travelling to and from the sailing area. Also, you wouldn't get much use out of the boat if it took 5 hours just to reach the sea. I think that I'm beginning to see why you were leaning towards the Mac25. You really need two boats. One for pottering around the river(??), and another for some blue water sailing. Maybe a compromise will suit you, but I think that you would end up with a boat that wasn't very well suited to either purpose. Regards Donal -- |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
Except routers. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: Bob is an expert at everything. "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: The Cal is the better boat all around. Since you didn't even look at the SA/D ratios of the rigs, I'd have to say you have quite a bit more to learn. Do some more reading. Looking at waterline is like a 1st time telescope buyer asking "how far a scope can see." RB How do you compute sail area for this ratio, since the area would vary significantly depending on what sails were set? Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year. Jim |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
Jim Cate wrote:
Actually, I am tempted by a nice '78 34-ft Cal that's seems to be in good condition and that's being offered at a reasonable price. This boat is christened "Delilah," and the temptation is really getting to me. (Guess I should be careful not to let my hair grow too long!) There are also several other boats in this price range. And how is Janet? Did she look after the boat well? Cheers Marty |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
Donal wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... If you feel the need to seek our opinions, then you haven't found the boat that is right for *you*. snip Delilah has a relatively shallow draft, under 5 feet, which would be advantageous in our bay complex. This is the *** III model, which I understand was a later production run that incorporated some improvements over the earlier models. I think that it would be somewhat more tender than the O'Day, but probably more fun to sail in light to medium winds. The problem, again, is that it would take 5 hours to motor down to Galveston and get to some blue water, and, for several reasons, leaving it at a marina in Galveston introduces some problems. I don't know the area at all. I assume that you are up a river????? We are in the Kemah-Clear Lake area, between Houston and Galveston, which is on the gulf. Most of the marinas here are on waters that open to Galveston bay, and most sailing is done in the bay,. (I think this area is third or fourth in the country as far as the number of boats kept in various marinas.) To get to the Gulf and blue water, however, we have to sail down the ship channel for about 25 miles and then out between the jetties for several miles. So, there are some sailing areas here in the bay that are convenient, but blue water sailing takes several days. About 95% of boat owners in the area leave their boats in the Kemah area rather than in Galveston, because of the convenience factor, the danger of hurricanes and other issues. Jim My experience suggests that you are much better off if you can keep the boat near your sailing area. I used to keep my boat in a truly beautiful location, at the top of Chichester Harbour. The whole area is a protected nature reserve. However, it took an hour to get to the sea (and another to get back). We moved to a marina that is 100 yards from the sea because I realised that we would use the boat much more. The main effect of the move, is that our sailing season has changed from 6 months to 12 months. We can now go for a sail when the weather is a bit "iffy" because it is easier to turn back. In the old marina, we didn't bother going out if there was a possibility that the weather could turn, because we might not even get to the sea before we would have to turn back. You mentioned earlier that you were hoping to take some kids out sailing. IMHO, they are unlikely to cope with 10 hours of travelling to and from the sailing area. Also, you wouldn't get much use out of the boat if it took 5 hours just to reach the sea. I think that I'm beginning to see why you were leaning towards the Mac25. You really need two boats. One for pottering around the river(??), and another for some blue water sailing. Maybe a compromise will suit you, but I think that you would end up with a boat that wasn't very well suited to either purpose. Regards Donal -- |
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Hull Speed, Cal, O'Day 34
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... in various marinas.) To get to the Gulf and blue water, however, we have to sail down the ship channel for about 25 miles and then out between the jetties for several miles. So, there are some sailing areas here in the bay that are convenient, but blue water sailing takes several days. About 95% of boat owners in the area leave their boats in the Kemah area rather than in Galveston, because of the convenience factor, the danger of hurricanes and other issues. So why do you need to keep your boat so far inland? Regards Donal -- |
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