Bobsprit wrote:

Incidentally, are you also an astronomy expert? That happens to be one
of my intersts, and I plan on being at the TSP again this year.


Not an "expert" but I've been an avid amatuer for 20 years. I currently use a
Celestron 9.25. I do most of my observing in PA where darker skies still
prevail. I used to use a Dynascope RV6, Celestron 8 and Questar Duplex. I've
used a lot of scopes and do consider myself an armchair expert when it comes to
scope buying.

RB

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.
I also have one the new Meade autoguided systems. I'm hoping to
finish the Messier list this year. - Don't think this would work on a
boat, but binocular observing should be good off shore.

Jim

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.


Wow! That's a big piece of glass! Congrats. Something like that would be too
much for me, but I love looking through the big scopes.
Yeah, astronomy via scopes won't work well on a boat and I'd sooner keep good
optics clear of salt water. Last summer we did okay anchored in Oyster
Bay...lying on the fordeck and counting meteors.

RB

I also have one the new Meade autoguided systems. I'm hoping to
finish the Messier list this year. - Don't think this would work on a
boat, but binocular observing should be good off shore.

I'm a big anti-meade guy! Celestron all the way for SCTs!

RB

Donal wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

After all the interesting, thoughtful, considerate, helpful, balanced,
discussions regarding the Mac26M, I'm still looking at different
options. There seem to be some great buys on larger boats in our area,

snip

Comments, suggestions, or recommendations regarding these or other
similar boats will be appreciated.


You need to keep looking.


When you find the boat that is right for you, you will want it so badly,
that you will get stomach cramps.

If you feel the need to seek our opinions, then you haven't found the boat
that is right for *you*.


Regards


Actually, I am tempted by a nice '78 34-ft Cal that's seems to be in
good condition and that's being offered at a reasonable price. This
boat is christened "Delilah," and the temptation is really getting to
me. (Guess I should be careful not to let my hair grow too long!) There
are also several other boats in this price range.

Delilah has a relatively shallow draft, under 5 feet, which would be
advantageous in our bay complex. This is the *** III model, which I
understand was a later production run that incorporated some
improvements over the earlier models. I think that it would be somewhat
more tender than the O'Day, but probably more fun to sail in light to
medium winds. The problem, again, is that it would take 5 hours to
motor down to Galveston and get to some blue water, and, for several
reasons, leaving it at a marina in Galveston introduces some problems.

Jim



Donal
--

Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.

Understand?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment " or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions. In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

We understand perfectly what you are.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Sure do, you can't make civil discussion , nor can you handle data in
conflict with your antequated ideas. I am sure the casual observer can
tell
the real fool here. It may even be me, but I doubt it.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.

Understand?



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
you need to be told six or eight times before you have a chance of
understanding once.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.
you're a fool.

you're a fool.
you're a fool.


Understand?

From: "The Carrolls"
Date: 3/6/2004 11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

You're repeating your self again old fella.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, you are a wet dream for all the unscrupulous brokers in
the
land.

Let me add, "Deservedly so".

Never said any thing about a broker. Never said "fine investment "
or
"recover your money." Didn't say don't depreciate much, but Odays
don't,
they are generally too old to depreciate much.. Did say "Holding
their
price
nicely," most 20 to 25 year old boats do. You should do research
before
shooting your mouth off, figuratively speaking
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
like I said, dude, you are the wet dream of every unscrupulous
yacht
broker in
the land. "don't depreciate much", "fine investment", "recover
your
money".
Then the broker calls home and tells his wife they are going out
to
dinner
that
night. She says, "Another one?". He say, "Yup".

Again you show the depth of you intelect and quality of your
research.
20
year old boats don't depreciate much.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
boy, you guys are the wet dream of every dishonest yacht
broker
out
there.

Nope, they have been holding price nicely as of late. Also
very
few
seem
to
come to market, compared to the numbers built and other
manufacturers
with
similar numbers.
wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Mar 2004 22:01:22 GMT, (Bobsprit)
wrote:

But I'm not sure the Cal is faster in general conditions.
In
fact,
its
PHRF is
about 20 to 25 point higher. I think the O'Day would hold
its
own
very
nicely,
while giving a more comfortable ride.

The Oday is faster in most conditions.

RB

Including depreciation.

BB

That sounds impressive. How far can you see with it?

SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly.

Scott Vernon wrote:
That sounds impressive. How far can you see with it?

SV

Real far.
Jim






"Jim Cate" wrote

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly.

Bobsprit wrote:

I have a 16-inch newt mounted in a truss-tube Dob assembly. I'm a
member of the NASA -JSC astronomy club and have been attending the Texas
Star Party for several years, held annually in the spring in west Texas.


Wow! That's a big piece of glass! Congrats. Something like that would be too
much for me, but I love looking through the big scopes.

My wife and I recently built a new Dob truss tube system for the scope
and installed the 16-inch mirror and other optics in it. It can be set
up or collapsed into a 2x2' package in a few minutes and then rolled
around easily on a "wheelbarrow" arrangment. - So, it's easy to store in
a small space and to load in a van or pickup for transport.

Yeah, astronomy via scopes won't work well on a boat and I'd sooner keep good
optics clear of salt water. Last summer we did okay anchored in Oyster
Bay...lying on the fordeck and counting meteors.

RB

I'll leave my good binos at home.

Jim