Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor


"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

Hahaha... now, now. I think you shouldn't discourage him!

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www.sailnow.com

"Roger MacGregor" wrote in message
om...
Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

Roger MacGregor wrote:

Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor

In that case, you need to correct those on your staff who respond to
inquiries from those of us who call and request information about your
boats. When I have asked them if the boat is suitable for coastal
cruising in blue water, they have told me that this is exactly what it's
designed for. They have assured me that it is a great boat in which to
sail or motor out to Catalina island (25 miles out). And the water
between the California coast and Catalina island is certainly blue. My
own dealer has told me that the boat is perfectly suitable for sailing
offshore, and the he wouldn't hesitate to take it offshore. Also, I
have made it clear to him several times that that's what I intend to do.
Another dealer I spoke with said the same thing and told me that he
had sailed Macs offshore many times, sailed to the Bahamas 12 times, and
would not hesitate to do it again. I also note that there is absolutely
NOTHING in your literature (if you are really Roger MacGregor, that is)
warning your customers not to take their boats more than three miles
offshore.

In other words, you are either a troll, or if not, MacGregor has some
serious legal liability issues.

Jim





"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote

When I have asked them if the boat is suitable for coastal
cruising in blue water, they have told me that this is exactly what it's
designed for.

and you believed them??????

My
own dealer has told me that the boat is perfectly suitable for sailing
offshore, and the he wouldn't hesitate to take it offshore.


BWaaaaaaaaHahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha


(if you are really Roger MacGregor, that is)


What a maroon!

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote

When I have asked them if the boat is suitable for coastal
cruising in blue water, they have told me that this is exactly what it's
designed for.


and you believed them??????

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.) My response pointed out that MacGregor reps and
MacGregor dealers are promoting the boat as a coastal cruiser capable of
going off-shore, and that nothing in their literature warns that the
boat shouldn't be taken out beyond a three mile limit. So, had the note
actually been posted by Roger, it would have been an admission that he
had some serious legal problems. (Incidentally, whoever posted the note
assuming Roger's identity on a public forum may indeed have some legal
issues.)

You're rather slow, aren't you Scotty? I suggest that you take the time
to read the notes more carefully and give it a little thought before you
barge in and waste everyone's time with off-topic remarks like those.

Jim

check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.

SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.)

Scott Vernon wrote:

check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.


And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a bridge for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim


SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.)

Well, duh... you don't???

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

check the headers and then do a Google. Roger has posted here before.


And you really believe that Roger is posting these notes? Notes stating
that: real sailors know what a "CRAPPY, SHODDY PRODUCT WE PEDDLE."
That his customers have "NO CLUE WHATSOEVER ... AS TO HOW BAD OUR BOAT
REALLY IS." And telling everyone on the www that he paid a bribe to
Practical Sailor, and paid off the DEP and OSHA?

Scott, I happen to have a bridge for sale that you might be interested
in buying.

Jim


SV


"Jim Cate" wrote

Scott, you obviously don't get it. The point in this particular exchange
isn't whether the boat is suitable for blue water sailing, it's whether
the note purportedly posted by Roger MacGregor was a farce. (Which it
obviously was.)

"Jim Cate" wrote

When I have asked them if the boat is suitable for coastal
cruising in blue water, they have told me that this is exactly what it's
designed for.


and you believed them??????

My response pointed out that MacGregor reps and
MacGregor dealers are promoting the boat as a coastal cruiser capable of
going off-shore,

and you believe them??????

___yes

___no

You wanna buy a bridge?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Roger MacGregor wrote:

Mr Cate, if you will read the fine brochure put out by my writers you
will see that we do not recommend taking a Mac 26 M Powersailer out to
'blue water'. For your own safety DO NOT sail or motor a Mac 26 M
powersailer more than 3 miles offshore. You have been warned, in front
of many witnesses. Any injuries, deaths, or losses due to a Mac 26 M
Powersailer past the 3 mile limit will be your own damn fault. We ARE
NOT responsible for your boat!

Roger MacGregor

In that case, you need to correct those on your staff who respond to
inquiries from those of us who call and request information about your
boats. When I have asked them if the boat is suitable for coastal
cruising in blue water, they have told me that this is exactly what it's
designed for. They have assured me that it is a great boat in which to
sail or motor out to Catalina island (25 miles out). And the water
between the California coast and Catalina island is certainly blue. My
own dealer has told me that the boat is perfectly suitable for sailing
offshore, and the he wouldn't hesitate to take it offshore. Also, I
have made it clear to him several times that that's what I intend to do.
Another dealer I spoke with said the same thing and told me that he
had sailed Macs offshore many times, sailed to the Bahamas 12 times, and
would not hesitate to do it again. I also note that there is absolutely
NOTHING in your literature (if you are really Roger MacGregor, that is)
warning your customers not to take their boats more than three miles
offshore.

In other words, you are either a troll, or if not, MacGregor has some
serious legal liability issues.

Jim





"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


I don't usually agree with you, but on this we're on the
same page.


John, if you're your really that stressed out, remember that you don't
have to read any of my notes at all if you don't want to. - Just press
your down arrow and skip right on by them. - It may be several weeks
before I can get out to the blue water on my Mac, and by skipping by my
notes, you can get pretty much the same effect as you might if I were
lost at sea.



Jim