Scott Vernon wrote:

Jim, to be truthful, I haven't sailed the boat, and I haven't talked to
anyone who has, but I've seen them and they are butt ugly , high freeboard,
powerboat boat looking, plastic bathtubs.

Scotty


If I understand your note, at least you are honest enough to admit that
you don't know how the sail or how they handle under power. From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.

At least you aren't trying to analyze their handling and characteristics
under sail and/or power before you have sailed or powered them.

Jim


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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My point is not that I know or have evidence to the effect that the M
model is a good sailing and/or motoring vessel. Not at all. It's that,
if we are going to give any consideration whatsoever to the most
fundamental principles of logic, reasoning, clear thinking, etc., then
those who criticize the new boat should preface their remarks by saying
"Jim, to be truthful, I haven't sailed the boat, and I haven't talked to
anyone who has, so actually you should understand that I really don't
know what the Hell I'm talking about."

From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.


Jim, Scotty's bias is well founded. Anyone who's grown to love the shape of
sailboats is offended by the looks of the Mac.

RB

Not really true. It's more about being offended by the people
who try to pass themselves off as sailors. The shape of a boat
doesn't offend me nor how lousy is the construction. It's just
an inanimate object.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.


Jim, Scotty's bias is well founded. Anyone who's grown to love the shape
of
sailboats is offended by the looks of the Mac.

RB

The shape of a boat
doesn't offend me nor how lousy is the construction. It's just
an inanimate object.


We certainly don't feel the same way about boats. I hardly find them inanimate.


RB

Well, only in the philosophical sense are they more than inanimate.
In the real world of fiberglass, wood, and steel, they're inanimate.
The "personality" one might feel a boat has, is basically a collection
of mechanical interactions. That doesn't diminish the sensation, but
it does explain it.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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The shape of a boat
doesn't offend me nor how lousy is the construction. It's just
an inanimate object.


We certainly don't feel the same way about boats. I hardly find them
inanimate.


RB

The "personality" one might feel a boat has, is basically a collection
of mechanical interactions.

That said, aren't you somewhat "offended" by the company of a Mac26 on an
otherwise nice day?

RB

I am offended by the people who make the boats, however.
They should know better.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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The "personality" one might feel a boat has, is basically a collection
of mechanical interactions.

That said, aren't you somewhat "offended" by the company of a Mac26 on an
otherwise nice day?

RB

No. I'm offended by the people on the boat, when they usually
show obvious signs of not having a clue, and end up sailing (motoring)
too close or trying to come into a slip at 3 kts.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The "personality" one might feel a boat has, is basically a collection
of mechanical interactions.

That said, aren't you somewhat "offended" by the company of a Mac26 on an
otherwise nice day?

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.


Jim, Scotty's bias is well founded. Anyone who's grown to love the shape of
sailboats is offended by the looks of the Mac.

RB

Some can appreciate the design and shape of a power-sail-planing boat,
or a sailboat capable of planing under sail, AND ALSO appreciate the
design of traditional sailing vessels. The mac 25M attractive and
impressive, IMO. I don't think you can call any 26-foot boat beautiful,
but that's my opinion also. My favorite sailing experience was on a
40-foot Valiant cutter with canoe stern, which looked and sailed
beautifully in blue water. I also crewed for several years on an 1883
150-foot tall ship (the Elissa) that is maintained in operating
condition in the Galveston area. Again, it's definitely impressive and
beautiful under sail, but it's a different beauty than that of a Swan,
Newport, Valiant, etc., or a cup contender.

Jim

There are many, many beautiful 26 foot sailboats.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Bobsprit wrote:

From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.


Jim, Scotty's bias is well founded. Anyone who's grown to love the shape
of
sailboats is offended by the looks of the Mac.

RB

Some can appreciate the design and shape of a power-sail-planing boat,
or a sailboat capable of planing under sail, AND ALSO appreciate the
design of traditional sailing vessels. The mac 25M attractive and
impressive, IMO. I don't think you can call any 26-foot boat beautiful,
but that's my opinion also. My favorite sailing experience was on a
40-foot Valiant cutter with canoe stern, which looked and sailed
beautifully in blue water. I also crewed for several years on an 1883
150-foot tall ship (the Elissa) that is maintained in operating
condition in the Galveston area. Again, it's definitely impressive and
beautiful under sail, but it's a different beauty than that of a Swan,
Newport, Valiant, etc., or a cup contender.

Jim