Joe,

Just ignore the Jax static. He can't seem to realize I'm talking about
him, Not to him.

Ole Thom

JAXAshby wrote:
guys, until yesterday you never even heard of Lunar Distances and today you are
all experts.

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

ROFLMAO I've always enjoyed watching your vain attempts to squirm/write
your way out of the messes, you write your way into...... I see nothings
changed and only you are dumb enough to buy into your BS.

In answer to your typically stupid post:
Anyone who has had any type of in depth education on navigation, either
formal or informal, will be aware of "Lunar Distances".
However, since we were not living prior to the 19th century, there is no
need for us to have more than a passing familiarity with "nuts and
bolts" of the particular system to find longitude.
Hence the reason you will find few if any courses which teach "celestial
navigation" which will waste an inordinate amount of time teaching
something which can be performed much more easily, by other methods of
celestial navigation.

G Gotta check my settings ..... thought I had your useless ass, killfiled.

otn

you found one. now, just where is that course given and just how much time is
given to Lunar Distances and just how many people on the planet who know
"celestial navigation" even know that an accurate timepiece is not required?

felton, you are a sophist, a term for a sophomore poly sci major of limited
intelligence trying to explain to the girls why he couldn't get in engineering
college.

dougies, until I posted you had never even heard of the term "Lunar
Distances"
and now you are claiming to be an expert.

wanna show us just which "celestial navigation" course taught just where it
is
that includes Lunar Distances as part of the corriculum?

"Practice with "lunars" is certainly an aerobatic flight in the world
of celestial navigation, but those who do it become the very best
celestial navigators, in part because very precise sights are requried
as well as careful analysis"

http://www.starpath.com/catalog/books/1875.htm

If you could navigate to the google page, you will find many of them


JAXAshby wrote:

no, "celestial" as the term is used means to use an accurate timepiece.
Lunar
distances needs no timepiece at all, let alone an accurate one.

Sorry, Jax... wrong again. You should be proud of your perfect record.

"Celestial" navigation means to use "celestial" bodies. And the lunar
distance is a method of telling time, making the "celestial" bodies
themselves a timepiece. So you are doubly wrong. Your mom would be so
proud!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.

otn, you just explained why celestial navigation is worthless. you also
explained why celestial navigation as the term is used does not include Lunar
Distances.

btw, Lunar Distances were in common use on most ships until about the middle of
the 19th century, not the beginning.

guys, until yesterday you never even heard of Lunar Distances and today you
are
all experts.

Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.

ROFLMAO I've always enjoyed watching your vain attempts to squirm/write
your way out of the messes, you write your way into...... I see nothings
changed and only you are dumb enough to buy into your BS.

In answer to your typically stupid post:
Anyone who has had any type of in depth education on navigation, either
formal or informal, will be aware of "Lunar Distances".
However, since we were not living prior to the 19th century, there is no
need for us to have more than a passing familiarity with "nuts and
bolts" of the particular system to find longitude.
Hence the reason you will find few if any courses which teach "celestial
navigation" which will waste an inordinate amount of time teaching
something which can be performed much more easily, by other methods of
celestial navigation.

G Gotta check my settings ..... thought I had your useless ass, killfiled.

otn

This from Jocks...who never went to college other than to clean the
toilets

I graduated from one of the largest universities in the country, a school that
if it were where you live it would be the 8th or 9th largest city in the
country.

JAXAshby wrote:
Yet, not one of you clowns can find a single course available in "celestial
navigation" that includes Lunar Distances. Not one.


not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.



Didn't check and won't check. If KP teaches "Lunar Distances", it will
be as an exercise in history, not as a license necessity.
BTW, it was not a question of chronometers becoming cheap enough .... it
was a question of them becoming reliable enough to be used on a
shipboard environment..... You still need to learn to do more in depth
"Google" searches, before you try to write as if you are an expert.

I was a professional motor mechanic starting the summer before 7th grade (my
father owned the place).

Yeah, OK Jocks...and what was the degree which allowed you to become a
motor mechanic?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

KP did require (as of at least 10 years ago) and may still require coursework
to graduate that includes Lunar Distances.

I didn't learn of chronometers or Lunar Distances by googling. I knew of each
before google came into existence.

Chronometers were damned expensive until mid 19th century and still had
temperature compensation problems until well into the 20th century. These
problems were eventually solved with the introduction of consumer electric
watches. Lunars were still commonly used on commercial vessels (as opposed to
military vessels) until about 150 years ago. The need for celestial nav at all
started to go away by the early 1920's when radio navigation started to come
online with commercial radio stations, which were required to give their call
letters, the city of transmission and frequency every ten minutes.

not one of you guys thought to check King's Point. There may be other
places
that teach Lunar Distances, but I have never heard of which. It is a skill
obsolete since the middle of the 19th century when chronometers because
cheap
enough to become ubiquitous.



Didn't check and won't check. If KP teaches "Lunar Distances", it will
be as an exercise in history, not as a license necessity.
BTW, it was not a question of chronometers becoming cheap enough .... it
was a question of them becoming reliable enough to be used on a
shipboard environment..... You still need to learn to do more in depth
"Google" searches, before you try to write as if you are an expert.

JAXAshby wrote:
otn, you just explained why celestial navigation is worthless. you also
explained why celestial navigation as the term is used does not include Lunar
Distances.

btw, Lunar Distances were in common use on most ships until about the middle of
the 19th century, not the beginning.

Oops .... got my centuries wrong.(meant to say not living prior to the
20th century) Actually, Lunar distances were used to some degree,
through the 19th century, but the need for them became academic, once
the chronometer was readily available.
As for celestial being worthless, I will admit, to someone such as
yourself, who has never learned to use it and/or become proficient in
it's use, it is useless, coupled with the fact, that as "galley boy",
you'd never have the need.
It is, however, included in "celestial navigation", since, once again,
it involves sights of celestial bodies (or are you also unaware of the
methods used to obtain the basic information used in lunar distances?).

Go back to googling, Jax .... as always,the response to your responses
quickly become exercises in talking to a brain dead Cocker Spaniel (My
apologies to the Cocker Spaniel owners out there).

otn