1 When to use them: In an out of harbors obvously. In narrow fairways and
rivers or canals. When the speed of sailing is not sufficient to the arrival
goal, unless you are a purist which I'm not. When caught in the doldrums.
When water is low or you have an emergency on board. Here's one trick.
Sail Motoring as opposed to Motor Sailing. When you can't go in the right
direction due to the winds running the prop at slow rpms enhances the
ability of the boat to point high by 10 to 20 additional degrees. (Variable
as to hull and conditions). If that will get you through a narrow passage
between islands so be it. When on delivery jobs with a deadline to meet.
When getting out of the way of or handling the presence of a storm
condition. When you need electricity to listen to the NBA, NFL, America's
Cup or World Cup finals.


2. When not to use the engine. Most of the time. It certainly de-tracts
from the peace of it all. When in a race that doesn't allow it, when you
are down to the last 1/3 of a tank. . . . . .and so on and so forth.

3. Add your own reasons. In the end they will always be 'your own
reasons.'

M.

"Michael" wrote in message
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1 When to use them: In an out of harbors obvously.
Not necessarily. Practice makes perfect.

In narrow fairways and
rivers or canals.

Very narrow. Learn to tack.

When the speed of sailing is not sufficient to the arrival
goal, unless you are a purist which I'm not.

When caught in the doldrums.

Then, what's the rush?

2. When not to use the engine. Most of the time. It certainly de-tracts
from the peace of it all. When in a race that doesn't allow it, when you
are down to the last 1/3 of a tank. . . . . .and so on and so forth.

See above.

3. Add your own reasons. In the end they will always be 'your own
reasons.'

How about to practice not relying on it. Dock under sail. Anchor under
sail. Pick up a mooring under sail.

Michael,
You forgot to list when you want to take a shower at sea (our water pump =
is a terrible drain for showers...)

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

1. You run a line from the hot water outlet on the engine to the shower to
the drain to the stern outlet?

2. Shower at Sea? That's what rain squalls are for.

3. Shower? What's a Shower? Next thing you know you'll be wanting a real
head!

4. I love the smell of over ripe sailors in the morning.

M.

"katysails" wrote in message
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Michael,
You forgot to list when you want to take a shower at sea (our water pump is
a terrible drain for showers...)

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Michael" wrote in message ...
1 When to use them:

3. Add your own reasons. In the end they will always be 'your own
reasons.'

M.


Tieing up to a platform offshore to fish
Man overboard
7 knot current in a river
PTO for the big pump
towing
un-grounding
RIATM
watermaker
narrow jetties with big waves on the bow
going to slow to troll for King Mackerels
to slow to drag the shrimp net
in a channel full of fools
In a channel with ships that might suck you into them


When not to: When you can do everything you need to do with wind and sail alone
When you remember that you just spent close to 500 dollars fueling up.


Joe
MSV RedCloud

Michael wrote:

1 When to use them: In an out of harbors obvously.

Not necessarily. It greatly depends on the harbor, the wind & tide, the traffic,
the boat, the skipper, etc etc.

Usually my consideration is wind & tide, and traffic. Sailing around in
unfavorable currents, light & flukey winds, and playing stoop-tag with
freighters is not good.


In narrow fairways and rivers or canals.

The C&D canal and the Cape Cod canal both forbid sailing through. I've been told
they are both equipped with spy cameras nowadays for enforcement. In times past
I have cheated and sailed through....



When the speed of sailing is not sufficient to the arrival
goal, unless you are a purist which I'm not.

Trying to cruise under sail and keep a schedule is stupid. It can be dangerous
too. Adds stress. Worse than motoring IMHO.


When caught in the doldrums.

Or trapped by bad priorities, having chosen a boat that sails like Grandpa's
barn.



When water is low or you have an emergency on board.

Agreed.

Here's one trick.
Sail Motoring as opposed to Motor Sailing. When you can't go in the right
direction due to the winds running the prop at slow rpms enhances the
ability of the boat to point high by 10 to 20 additional degrees. (Variable
as to hull and conditions). If that will get you through a narrow passage
between islands so be it.

How would you define the difference between Motor Sailing and Sail Motoring?
Just curious.


When on delivery jobs with a deadline to meet.

Agreed. But I don't do that any more (tentatively, a friend has asked me to help
with a delivery this spring)


When getting out of the way of or handling the presence of a storm
condition.

Disagree here... although there may some situations like this, such as getting
out of the danger quadrant in the calm before the storm. But most boats should
sail well enough that this is unnecessary.


When you need electricity to listen to the NBA, NFL, America's
Cup or World Cup finals.

Your battery bank is too small.



3. Add your own reasons.

You forgot running bridges. In many places it is against the rules to sail
through open bridges.

Now that we cruise in a tugboat, it's really not a question. But we can get to
anchorages quicker and set up the windsurfers or sailing dink sooner

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Joe wrote:

un-grounding

Good one... although it's a good idea to remember that sucking a lot of dirt into
the cooling water loop is not good.


RIATM

???



When not to: When you can do everything you need to do with wind and sail alone
When you remember that you just spent close to 500 dollars fueling up.

Damn Joe, how much fuel tankage does your boat have? Ours barely holds half that
much, and we can go to the Bahamas and back on it.....

DSK

Mich.,

I have another very good reason for running the engine. When you want
heat out of the "RED DOT HEATER"

I found my my engine run at a fast idle on a quart of fuel per hour.
That is less diesel than the heater.

When I winter sail, I keep the Pilothouse warm this way. Also, as long
as it's running, I'll drop it in gear and Motor sail.

Ole Thom

Doug,

I was thinking the same about Joe's fuel load. I get 1200 miles on my
twenty gallon tank. Then I got to thinking about his Motor Sailor. He
can probably motor faster than both of us when he wants, I'm just
turning a 18 HP diesel.

Another reason for running my engine is when I'm using the Micro wave
Oven off the inverter. I need the fifty amp charging.

Ole Thom

that is a damned expensive way to produce heat. the fuel used by most diesels
is a tiny fraction of the total cost of usage. Most people who keep track of
ALL their costs associated with keeping an engine running shows costs to be
about $3 to $5 an hour for repairs and such, plus often something similar for a
rebuild.

Except, of course (like the broker I saw last week in Melbourne FL), who claim
80,000+ hours as normal for a diesel engine before overhaul. (the damned
engine in question had leaked oil ALL over the bilge in what was maybe 30
minutes of running an otherwise spick and span boat before we arrived)

Mich.,

I have another very good reason for running the engine. When you want
heat out of the "RED DOT HEATER"

I found my my engine run at a fast idle on a quart of fuel per hour.
That is less diesel than the heater.

When I winter sail, I keep the Pilothouse warm this way. Also, as long
as it's running, I'll drop it in gear and Motor sail.

Ole Thom