I go away for a few days and come back to the same silliness. I've combined
Donal's two posts ...

The explanation that I gave several times (and I think the "pros" agreed
with)
is that vessels that are "hampered" are given the special signal of
"prolonged-short-short." Although this does not give them any special
right-of-way, it is a message to other vessels that these vessels has some
limitation in maneuverability, and should be given the widest possible
berth.

Why should they be given a wide berth, if they don't have any special right
of way?

In the fog, its impossible to determine the nature of the boat's limitations, we
only know that it is in a class of boats that includes tows, fishing boats with
gear, RAMs and NUCs. It would be a good idea to give extra room to such a
vessel.



Why do write such nonsense?


To the fool, its nonsense. To the experienced mariner, its wisdom.


Are you really asking us to believe that a boat should be given a wide
berth, and at the same time, we must not give way to that boat?

How do you give way to a boat, and maintain your stand-on status at the same
time?

There is no such thing as "give way" and "stand-on" status in the fog. Have you
not learned anything about the rules?




"Donal" wrote in message
...

I read this a few times .....could not stop shaking my head in wonder.
Even Neal would not write this dumb of a response.
Sorry, Donal, you've crossed the line and are no longer worth a response.

Let me try to ask the same question a bit more politely.

Why would you give another vessel a "wide berth" if you were the stand on
vessel?

There is a presumption when we say "in the fog" that we are talking about
"restricted visibility" where vessels are "not in sight of one another." In
this situation, there is no "stand-on vessel."

Unless you're trying to revive the old troll where Neal claims that at the
instant before collision the vessels are in sight, you're just showing your
ignorance.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I go away for a few days and come back to the same silliness. I've
combined
Donal's two posts ...

The explanation that I gave several times (and I think the "pros"
agreed
with)
is that vessels that are "hampered" are given the special signal of
"prolonged-short-short." Although this does not give them any special
right-of-way, it is a message to other vessels that these vessels has
some
limitation in maneuverability, and should be given the widest possible
berth.

Why should they be given a wide berth, if they don't have any special
right
of way?

In the fog, its impossible to determine the nature of the boat's
limitations, we
only know that it is in a class of boats that includes tows, fishing boats
with
gear, RAMs and NUCs. It would be a good idea to give extra room to such
a
vessel.

Would it?




Why do write such nonsense?


To the fool, its nonsense. To the experienced mariner, its wisdom.

Why didn't you say that you were an experienced mariner? If I'd realised
that you knew much more than I did, then I would have respectfully touched
my cap and backed away in embarrassement.

If you don't believe that last statement, then do a Google. Look for an
instance where I've openly disagreed with Ole Thom, Nav, Oz, Capt American,
Mooron, Katy, Wally, Peters(various), Matt Colie, Seahag, Martin, Roy,
John, or Jon!

I may disagree with them on non-sailing issues, but I've never argued with
any of them on sailing related issues. Don't you find that a bit strange?
Why is it that, in *5* years, I've never had a serious, sailing,
disagreement with anybody who knows anything about the subject? I've always
backed off when confronted by someone who has more experience than me. Why
is it that you think that I am




Are you really asking us to believe that a boat should be given a wide
berth, and at the same time, we must not give way to that boat?

How do you give way to a boat, and maintain your stand-on status at the
same
time?

There is no such thing as "give way" and "stand-on" status in the fog.
Have you
not learned anything about the rules?

Read my statement again! I *know* that there is no such thing as a "give
way" boat.

Furthermore, I am 90% certain that you are aware that I know this.

Do you "give way" when you encounter a "stand on vessel"?
If you do, then you understand what I am saying. If you don't, then you
are in breach of the CollRegs. Perhaps you could now explain why you are
saying that I know nothing because I think that I must "give way"?




Let me try to ask the same question a bit more politely.

Why would you give another vessel a "wide berth" if you were the stand
on
vessel?

There is a presumption when we say "in the fog" that we are talking about
"restricted visibility" where vessels are "not in sight of one another."
In
this situation, there is no "stand-on vessel."

Unless you're trying to revive the old troll where Neal claims that at the
instant before collision the vessels are in sight, you're just showing
your
ignorance.

Did Neal say that? I thought that it was *me* that made that particular
point!!


Regards


Donal
--

ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over from Neal.

Shen

Its a pretty poor troll. I vote drunk.


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over from Neal.

Shen

Shen conjectured; ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over =
from Neal.

Donal is too nice to take over from Neal...he has scruples and =
ethics...it will be an abysmal failure.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

What he has in scruples and ethics, he makes up for in ignorant prejudices.


katysails wrote:
Shen conjectured; ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take
over from Neal.

Donal is too nice to take over from Neal...he has scruples and
ethics...it will be an abysmal failure.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Shen conjectured; ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over from
Neal.

Donal is too nice to take over from Neal...he has scruples and ethics...it
will be an abysmal failure.



I'm sure that Neal had some scruples and ethics! Is there *no* hope for
me?


I have noticed that Jeff, Shen and otn will all resort to name calling when
they find that they cannot respond to a rational argument. This is a bit
of a pity, as they seem to be quite sensible, otherwise.


Regards


Donal
--

You drunken sot! I never called you a name you didn't deserve!

regards,
jeff


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Shen conjectured; ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over from
Neal.

Donal is too nice to take over from Neal...he has scruples and ethics...it
will be an abysmal failure.



I'm sure that Neal had some scruples and ethics! Is there *no* hope for
me?


I have noticed that Jeff, Shen and otn will all resort to name calling when
they find that they cannot respond to a rational argument. This is a bit
of a pity, as they seem to be quite sensible, otherwise.


Regards


Donal
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
You drunken sot! I never called you a name you didn't deserve!

You just did!!!!!!


I'm stone cold sober. I haven't touched a drop today!



Regards


Donal
--

BG I have noticed that Trolls (the name I believe I called you ... )
usually end up writing the next to last sentence of your post when they
have been figured/found out.
Trust me, from where I was reading, there was no longer anything
rational about your post.

otn

Donal wrote:
"katysails" wrote in message
...
Shen conjectured; ROFL I vote Troll ..... Donal's trying to take over from
Neal.

Donal is too nice to take over from Neal...he has scruples and ethics...it
will be an abysmal failure.



I'm sure that Neal had some scruples and ethics! Is there *no* hope for
me?


I have noticed that Jeff, Shen and otn will all resort to name calling when
they find that they cannot respond to a rational argument. This is a bit
of a pity, as they seem to be quite sensible, otherwise.