Doug remonstrated: MC (or Navvie as some call him)
doesn't have friends, a true pedant doesn't want or need them.

MC does have friends here. People have differences of opinions all the =
time. If you (the generic "you, not the specific) let that get in the =
way of friendship, then it is you )generic) who loses in the end. Like I =
mentioned to Booby in an earlier post, there is always someone who has =
more, does more, knows more...and then there are those that have less, =
do less, and know less. What usually happens is that what you have and =
what you have not are balanced so that some of what you may not have =
someone else may have, while in another area the reverse might be true. =
Is it worth the ulcer to get so embroiled in it? Takes a lot of antacids =
to get rid of that much vitriol.=20


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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Scout,

A good discourse about DSK & MC. I'll stick my ancient nose in, when I'm
old enough to know better.

Both have a wealth of knowledge. both have the ability to argue the
exception.

I really don't know or do I care who is playing the upper hand.

I am reminded however of the discussion of sailing theory of Bernoulli
or Newton. When specific examples were necessary and ignored but to be
correct a much greater law was interjected which couldn't be found wrong
but was useless to the discussion. The "Law of Conservation"

It drove me out of the discussion. The Law covered both theories but
sure as hell didn't help settle a damn thing.

It did however, make me aware of smoke
screening a discussion. I say this and jumped into this with both feet.
As long as I'm entered, I may as well be a complete ass and offer
advice.

Both had better just back away and let past comments be accepted as
history.

OT

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scout,

A good discourse about DSK & MC. I'll stick my ancient nose in, when I'm
old enough to know better.

Both have a wealth of knowledge. both have the ability to argue the
exception.

I really don't know or do I care who is playing the upper hand.

I am reminded however of the discussion of sailing theory of Bernoulli
or Newton. When specific examples were necessary and ignored but to be
correct a much greater law was interjected which couldn't be found wrong
but was useless to the discussion. The "Law of Conservation"

It drove me out of the discussion. The Law covered both theories but
sure as hell didn't help settle a damn thing.

It did however, make me aware of smoke
screening a discussion. I say this and jumped into this with both feet.
As long as I'm entered, I may as well be a complete ass and offer
advice.

Both had better just back away and let past comments be accepted as
history.

OT

Well said, Thom!

Asa benefits greatly from both Doug's and MC's input.

Regards


Donal
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Scout wrote:
Doug, I have no clue who is right in this matter. But I can tell you
that 30 years ago I was in a mechanical engineering class at Lehigh Univ.,
and my professor taught me one thing well (at least it's the only thing I
can remember from his class): "this field will humble all who enter it." He
was right, I've been humbled plenty, and everyone I've worked with has done
likewise at some point. 100 things in a row will go perfectly, and then a
"Challenger" happens and brings us all back down to earth.

That's very true. I also think that there is a type of personality
common in engineering, just like other professions... the engineer gene
immediately wants to redesign from scratch.

Regarding the ongoing rift here - talented people will always find
something to disagree about,

That may also be, but the issue here
1- MC constantly harps about what I do or don't know, whereas I only
criticize his posts.

2- He constantly insists that info I post is wrong, when it is correct

3- He constantly lies about what he has posted... for example, see his
reply to Peter Wiley.

Frankly, I hope I don't do do any of those things. When I have made a
mistake I admit it (painful though it is). I started the thread on
sailing aerodynamics to have a discussion on the subject and possibly
learn something, not to get yapped at.

for
..... consider the number
of times a variant of the phrase "that's not what I said, or meant" has been
used here

OK, answer me this- how many times has MC/Navvie used that phrase? More
often he will lie about what he posted earlier, or say (in effect) "I
was right all along, you're too stupid to understand." I do not find
this helpful nor entertaining.




Navigator obviously appreciates the Socratic approach and I believe he
is well-intended.

I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he still owes me money.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

You're a good man Doug. Anyone can see that. That's why I posted in the
first place.
Scout

"DSK" wrote
I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he still owes me
money.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

MC wrote:

Well, you don't seem to have an opinion as to whether they should be
rounded or squared off.


Oh, I have an opinion. This is a great example of your misquoting or
deliberately misinterpreting what I say.

Doung, it's short thread -go back and reread your answers. You say you
know but won't give the answer? C'mon! What is your 'opinion'?

MC wrote:
Well, you don't seem to have an opinion as to whether they should be
rounded or squared off.


Oh, I have an opinion. This is a great example of your misquoting or
deliberately misinterpreting what I say.

Navvie wrote:
Doung, it's short thread -go back and reread your answers. You say you
know but won't give the answer? C'mon! What is your 'opinion'?

My opinion is: There are a lot of things that make tremendously more
difference in a boat's performance. A squared edge is better than round
or even sharp, although I shape mine with an alternating bevel. However,
if the helmsman isn't the sharpest, or the crew is hiking lazily, or
the jb leach is slightly blown, or some other detail of set & trim isn't
just right, then a perfectly formed centerboard trailing edge is not
going to make the boat faster by magic.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King