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The CollRegs *do* advocate a constant visual lookout. Joe thinks it is a
waste of time.

Your the spin doctor again Donal.

Visual can be with radar. Infact you can view much more in think fog
using radar. I never ever said a lookout was a waste of time.


Joe, I apologise for the confusion that I caused by using the term visual

The CollRegs state :-
"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out, by sight and

I look at a radar- therfore Im using my sight- and much more effectly
for the prevailing circumstances.

Hearing..... We all listen to the radio and check traffic everywhere.
We talk and make everyone with a radio aware.

We say something like "MV Comet in-bound Freeport jetties, turning
westbound in the ICW checking for any concerned traffic" And we listen
and respone to any concerned traffic, we id each other on radar and we
make passing agreements, in a narrow river we would slow to the
slowest we could matian steerage and pass. We use our hearing. We do
it on the proper channels, and a few improper ones that weekend
warriors might feel approate. This is more effective for the
prevailing circumstances of 3 12-71TI engines, making at idle enough
noise to drown out any other noise. At full speed in a fog bank on
deck you would want hearing protection.


hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing
circumstances and conditions

Like radar, flir,night vision, radio, gps, charts, local knowledge
ect..


so as to make a full appraisal of the situation
and of the risk of collision. "


I can make a full appraisal of the situation with the proper tools and
knowledge. And the risk of collision.



When the rule uses the word "sight", I believe that they mean that someone
should look with their own eyes.

Everything you see is with your eyes.



The "hearing" bit means that someone should use their ears..... and I don't
mean the VHF.

Thats your onshore yachtmaster experience kicking in. You use all
tools you have available. If standing on the bow with your hand
cupping your ears will not help anything, than it is not part of the
"all available means" toolbag.


The phrase "all available means" includes your Radar set.


Please tell me why you think a radar is not an effective tool?

Oooh nooo. Not again!! I'm being asked to prove something else that I
didn't claim.

Radar is an extremely effective tool. I use it myself - especially in fog.

Is it because you can not even tune your wal-mart special?

I only need it to detect big ships.

A proper radar will detect just about everything, not just big ships
to run away from. This again is showing your onshore yachtmaster
skills.

Any walmart radar should pick up every bouy, channel marker, banks,
boats
platforms ect. If your does not, toss it overboard, it's junk.



I don't have any need for an expensive
set. I'm not charging arount at 25 kts in visibility that is so bad that a
lookout would be pointless.

There you go again spindocter. Show were I ever said a lookout would
be pointless.

To have someone staring into a thick cloud seeing nothing is
pointless.
And on the bow of some boats can be dangerious. Again your onshore
yachtmaster experience has your ability to understand stifled.


I'm doing about 6 kts.

Hitting something at 6kts is not going to be fun.




Lanod, Your the one with the limited abilty to comprehend. Perhaps
when you rise above your current status as an on-shore yachtmaster you
will broden your understanding of things nautical.

Joe
MSV RedCloud