"N1EE" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote

"N1EE" wrote

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?

Right


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.

Why?

I *assume* that they must have a small jib, and therefore they must have a
large main. Ergo, a fractional rig.

I've stressed the word "assume" because I freely admit that an assumption
can be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the
enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if
there
were only two people aboard.

It should be easy for oe person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.

My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use the
engine. [sigh].



Regards


Donal
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Bart Senior

Donal wrote:



My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use the
engine. [sigh].


Hmmm.. sounds like my wife, doesn't like it when the boat does that tippy thing!

We got out for a while in her brothers power cruiser in a good blow last summer,
damn near needed a kidney transplant after, but now she likes the sailboat a lot
more.

Now if I could just get her to keep quiet when the news is on......

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:



My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In
fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use
the
engine. [sigh].


Hmmm.. sounds like my wife, doesn't like it when the boat does that tippy
thing!

We got out for a while in her brothers power cruiser in a good blow last
summer,
damn near needed a kidney transplant after, but now she likes the sailboat
a lot
more.

That's why I changed from power to sail.


Now if I could just get her to keep quiet when the news is on......

heh hehWife swapping would be a complete waste of time for us.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote:
"N1EE" wrote:
....snip...
It should be easy for one person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.
....snip...

Well, I'm not familar with the Dehler line; but I have a generic
response to this comment. A self-tending jib is so small that it's
good for most wind conditions, right up to the point where you simply
need to douse it. There's usually no need to go forward "in a hurry."
Pretty much no need to go forward at all. If you have single-line
reefing for the main as well, you can pretty much single-hand without
ever leaving the cockpit. So, unless I'm not understanding your
comment, it's really kinda moot.

Could you expand on having to go forward "in a hurry"?

I have a downhaul for the jib on my F36. It's only 190 sf. and
douses itself to the foredeck and stays contained in the worst
conditions I've ever sailed in. Reef the main first, let the jib
provide drive for control, douse the jib if needed. All from the
cockpit and single handed. Sweet.

On 12 Jan 2004 14:27:34 -0800, (Frank Maier) wrote:

"Donal" wrote:
"N1EE" wrote:
...snip...
It should be easy for one person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.
...snip...

Well, I'm not familar with the Dehler line; but I have a generic
response to this comment. A self-tending jib is so small that it's
good for most wind conditions, right up to the point where you simply
need to douse it. There's usually no need to go forward "in a hurry."
Pretty much no need to go forward at all. If you have single-line
reefing for the main as well, you can pretty much single-hand without
ever leaving the cockpit. So, unless I'm not understanding your
comment, it's really kinda moot.

Could you expand on having to go forward "in a hurry"?

Downhauls are the way to go for jibs. I use my on the
SF bay all the time. It's nice to be able to dowse the
jib without going forward, especially on a small boat.

"Marc" wrote in message
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I have a downhaul for the jib on my F36. It's only 190 sf. and
douses itself to the foredeck and stays contained in the worst
conditions I've ever sailed in. Reef the main first, let the jib
provide drive for control, douse the jib if needed. All from the
cockpit and single handed. Sweet.

On 12 Jan 2004 14:27:34 -0800, (Frank Maier) wrote:

"Donal" wrote:
"N1EE" wrote:
...snip...
It should be easy for one person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a
hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are
reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with
a
view to sailing them two handed.
...snip...

Well, I'm not familar with the Dehler line; but I have a generic
response to this comment. A self-tending jib is so small that it's
good for most wind conditions, right up to the point where you simply
need to douse it. There's usually no need to go forward "in a hurry."
Pretty much no need to go forward at all. If you have single-line
reefing for the main as well, you can pretty much single-hand without
ever leaving the cockpit. So, unless I'm not understanding your
comment, it's really kinda moot.

Could you expand on having to go forward "in a hurry"?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Downhauls are the way to go for jibs. I use my on the
SF bay all the time. It's nice to be able to dowse the
jib without going forward, especially on a small boat.

Is this a system like the one Old Thom posted a while back?




Regards


Donal
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I must have missed the description.

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Downhauls are the way to go for jibs. I use my on the
SF bay all the time. It's nice to be able to dowse the
jib without going forward, especially on a small boat.

Is this a system like the one Old Thom posted a while back?




Regards


Donal
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My down haul is a simple 3/16" double braid line tied to the head of
the jib and lead through a block on the stem head and through more
blocks on the toe rail aft to the cockpit. A cleat on the stanchion
next to the cockpit secures the line.


On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:14:46 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

I must have missed the description.

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Downhauls are the way to go for jibs. I use my on the
SF bay all the time. It's nice to be able to dowse the
jib without going forward, especially on a small boat.

Is this a system like the one Old Thom posted a while back?




Regards


Donal
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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I must have missed the description.

http://www.lanode.com/priv/OleThom/jibdownhaul.jpg

BTW, I've just noticed the image's name - so I suppose the answr is going to
be "yes".

Regards

Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Downhauls are the way to go for jibs. I use my on the
SF bay all the time. It's nice to be able to dowse the
jib without going forward, especially on a small boat.

Is this a system like the one Old Thom posted a while back?




Regards


Donal
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