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They will work themselves out if the tape comes off and if a line gets
snagged and gets them to the inner ring (for lack of a better term for it). I've seen it happen. If the straight cotter is done properly, there is no way you're going to gouge yourself on it. Also, it will have tape, just like the ring. "katysails" wrote in message ... We use ring and tape. too. Aside from the fact that the rings don't work themselves out or snap off, you also don't get gouged in the ankle by a bent over cotter pin on the way by. BTW, bobbypins can be used as SHORT TERM emergency voter pins if you're in a real crunch...just remember to replace them...they rust through very quickly and won't take a lot of load for a lonmg period of time. They are stronger than paperclips, though. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I'll go out on a limb ... Why do they need securing?
I'm really not advocating this, but ... When I bought my current boat I went to the factory for a week of acceptance tests, commissioning, etc. The boat was all rigged for us, but there were no cotter pins installed. They explained that as soon as we left, the mast would be pulled for the delivery down the Erie Canal, and there was no need to install the cotter pins for just a few day sails. I was skeptical, and checked every turnbuckle morning, noon, and night but of course, there was no movement at all. I've also wondered if both ends of the turnbuckle need a pin - for it to turn, the stay must twist. I hard to see how it could loosen more than a quarter turn. As I say, I'm not advocating never using pins, and all of my stay have split pins, but I'm not sure losing one pin is an immediate crisis. On the other hand, as an ex-dinghy sailor whose boats were rigged with clevis and ring pins, I can say its rather unnerving to find a ring-ding in the bilge! "N1EE" wrote in message om... What's the best cotter pin type to secure a turnbuckle? Bart Senior |
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I have a small coil of monel wire that I can use for emergency cotter
pins (mostly because the spares have 'disappeared' from the small parts drawer). In fact, just a couple of weeks ago I noticed the mainsheet cotter had gone and wound the wire through 3 times and twisted closed to act as a cotter... What puzzles me is how the hell did the old SS cotter disappear. it was correctly set -I had replaced it two years ago when servicing the traveler. Cheers MC katysails wrote: We use ring and tape. too. Aside from the fact that the rings don't work themselves out or snap off, you also don't get gouged in the ankle by a bent over cotter pin on the way by. BTW, bobbypins can be used as SHORT TERM emergency voter pins if you're in a real crunch...just remember to replace them...they rust through very quickly and won't take a lot of load for a lonmg period of time. They are stronger than paperclips, though. |
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Bil said: All competent (and even most incompetent) sailors have proper =
tools available.=20 Yes, but diving to the bottom of the slip to retrieve them can be a real = hassle, especially when some here carry so much body fat that getting to = the bottom is almost an impossibility. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Jon argued: =20
They will work themselves out if the tape comes off and if a line gets snagged and gets them to the inner ring=20 I disagree. Don't you keep watch on your tape and make sure it's not = unraveling? Also, what is this about ropes and lines shagging them? If = they're taped down, why would a rope or line do that? In over 25 years = of sailing, I've never seen that happen, and I have been gouged by = straight cotter pins... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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How? If they're curled properly, they shouldn't snag your ankle. Also, they
should be taped too! Goes both ways.... "katysails" wrote in message ... Jon argued: They will work themselves out if the tape comes off and if a line gets snagged and gets them to the inner ring I disagree. Don't you keep watch on your tape and make sure it's not unraveling? Also, what is this about ropes and lines shagging them? If they're taped down, why would a rope or line do that? In over 25 years of sailing, I've never seen that happen, and I have been gouged by straight cotter pins... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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You should have a backup for stuff like this.
"katysails" wrote in message ... Bil said: All competent (and even most incompetent) sailors have proper tools available. Yes, but diving to the bottom of the slip to retrieve them can be a real hassle, especially when some here carry so much body fat that getting to the bottom is almost an impossibility. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Curled? What do you mean?
Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: How? If they're curled properly, they shouldn't snag your ankle. Also, they should be taped too! Goes both ways.... |
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The cotter pins... I guess I meant bent not curled.
"MC" wrote in message ... Curled? What do you mean? Cheers MC Jonathan Ganz wrote: How? If they're curled properly, they shouldn't snag your ankle. Also, they should be taped too! Goes both ways.... |
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"katysails" wrote in message ...
We use ring and tape. too. Aside from the fact that the rings don't work themselves out or snap off, Wanna Bet? I had one work out a few months ago on my La Brisa. Worked my butt off getting upwind all the way on the lake looking forward to a sleigh ride down wind. On my last tack upwind lost the mast due to one of those cruddy SS rings either working out or snapping. I use them on my small boat because I remove them often, but on RedCloud I use real cotter pins then i serve over the pins on and the turn buckles... screw tape always wears out unravels rotts fades ect...... joe you also don't get gouged in the ankle by a bent over cotter pin on the way by. BTW, bobbypins can be used as SHORT TERM emergency voter pins if you're in a real crunch...just remember to replace them...they rust through very quickly and won't take a lot of load for a lonmg period of time. They are stronger than paperclips, though. |
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