"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Your primary claim seems to be I advocate running without a lookout.
Where did
I say that


The first words that you addressed to me in this discussion (not thread)
were

"So where in the Colregs does it say you can't run on radar alone? "

That sounds like you were under the impression that it was permissible
to
run under radar alone.


OK, I'll accept that, but its pretty selective quoting there. My complete
statement was:

"So where in the Colregs does it say you can't run on radar alone? Of
course,
one should always have a visual (and sound) watch, but that is moot if
there is
effectively zero visibility. And yet many vessels maintain their normal
schedule in thick fog."

I think its pretty clear I'm not advocating running without a lookout,
only that
in practice the vessel is depending on radar for virtually all of its
info.

No, no no, no, no!!!!!

In practice any vessel *must* obey the CollRegs. Don't you agree?

What is your point here? You've admitted that its legal to proceed even if
there is zero visibility. You've insisted that a lookout must be posted, and
I've agreed wholeheartedly. My only point has been that in the absence of
visual input the helmsman is relying primarily on radar. Are you arguing simply
with my choice of words? If you think "virtually all of its info" or
"essentially on radar alone" are not proper ways to say it I might concede the
point just to end this silly discussion.

Or are you claiming that the helmsman must rely primarily on visual input, even
in limited visibility? If this is your point, I think you need to go back to
your class.

Or are you simply saying that its OK to do rely primarily on radar, but 25 knots
is simply too fast? To this I would claim, it depends on the situation. I said
many times that I couldn't address Joe's situation, but I know of a number of
runs where 7 to 14 knots is considered acceptable in the fog, and I suspect that
some go 35 knots or more away from land. Since the HSC is largely closed to
recreational boats, 25 knots may be accepted there.

So if you have a point here, please state it, and stop lying about what I've
said.