"Donal" wrote in message
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I appreciate that blame is is usually shared. But if a kayak crosses an
oil
tanker, what blame do you assign to tanker?


Read the Coll Regs!


I've read them many times. You've admitted that you don't know them.

Perhaps you think that they don't apply?

That's a childish argument. Do you claim that everyone that disagrees with you
is claiming the ColRegs don't apply? Grow up, Donal!







Yes, the kayak has the same rights of navigation as the tanker within
the COLREGS and VTS requirements.

What do you mean?

He means that the kayak has the same rights of navigation as the tanker.


Where do the ColRegs talk about the rights of any vessel?

Do you think that the Coll Regs don't cover meering, or passing situations
between Tankers and kayaks?

Again with the childish arguments.

Although rowboats and kayaks are hardly mentioned in the rules, they do fall
under the "all vessels" category and thus have the same obligations as other
vessels to proceed at a safe speed, maintain a lookup, etc. The also have the
obligation to behave in a seamanlike manner, which includes avoiding large
vessels when effectively invisible.

The rules are quite also explicit that the rowboat should avoid crossing a VTS
channel. It goes further:
"A vessel of less than 20 meters in length or a sailing vessel shall not
impede the safe passage of a power-driven vessel following a traffic
lane"

I must assume these rules are even more important when the kayak is effectively
invisible.





And remember, I'm no trying to defend the sportfisherman doing 40
knots in
the
fog; I'm just saying there are places the kayak doesn't belong.
You're
claiming
the kayak has the right to go anywhere and do anything he pleases.
"Using
all
his resources" is not an excuse for not using his brain.

I am not "claiming the kayak has the right to go anywhere and do
anything he pleases" I am stating that the kayaker has the right to
maneuver where and how he pleases, just as you do, within the bounds of
COLREGS and if in a VTS area, the rules applicable to that area.


In other words, you're agreeing with me. Thank you.


No, he isn't.
You seem to be saying that the kayak has no rights at all.


I was serious - he was agreeing with me. The kayak has no business being in a
VTS, or a restricted channel, or a security zone, especially in the fog.






You want to play captain, you take the responsibility that comes with
the job.

I'm glad you agree with me.

Ahhh! Good. You realise that the kayak will sometimes be the "stand on"
vessel!


You think so? Where in the rules can any vessel be "standon" in the fog? The
only time it can be standon is "in sight of another vessel" while being
overtaken. You really should read the rules sometime, Donal.