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Now that boob has got you all pitying me, it would be a good time to post my
Christmas wish list.

handheld VHF
new main sail
brass oil lamp
dock lines
140% RF genny
fiddle block w/cleat for main sheet
sunglasses
case of squirty cheese
3 blade feathering prop
new chart for Chess. Bay

send to:
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


PS; don't forget to include the sales reciept.

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handheld VHF
new main sail
brass oil lamp
dock lines
140% RF genny
fiddle block w/cleat for main sheet
sunglasses
case of squirty cheese
3 blade feathering prop
new chart for Chess. Bay

Man, that's a pricey list!


RB

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$5400+/-, Scotty,what % of your boat value is that? grin
Get the prop and the cheese. The rest is optional


On 08 Dec 2003 17:21:41 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

handheld VHF $200
new main sail $1500
brass oil lamp $100
dock lines $100
140% RF genny $1500
fiddle block w/cleat for main sheet $60
sunglasses $100
case of squirty cheese $50
3 blade feathering prop $1700
new chart for Chess. Bay $100

Man, that's a pricey list!


RB

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$5400+/-, Scotty,what % of your boat value is that? grin
Get the prop and the cheese. The rest is optional

I think the VHF is more likely to be put to good use than the cheese.

RB

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108%


"Marc" wrote ...
$5400+/-, Scotty,what % of your boat value is that?

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Now that boob has got you all pitying me, it would be a good time to post my
Christmas wish list.

handheld VHF

I have one already.

new main sail

I have one already and a new jib to boot.

brass oil lamp

I have one already.

dock lines

I have no use for dock lines - those are for lubbers.

140% RF genny

Only a fool would want one of those.

fiddle block w/cleat for main sheet

I have one already.

sunglasses

I have REVOs. And I have Ray Bans - Both pairs cost over 200 bucks each.

case of squirty cheese

Trailer park trash food.

3 blade feathering prop

My three blade prop causes no drag because it is out of the water
completely when I'm sailing.

new chart for Chess. Bay

Why? I have one of those and never use it. Who even wants
to sail that ugly, polluted body of water.

S.Simon

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Scotty,

As a suggestion, forget about the 3-Bladed Prop. for your boat. A
2-blade folding is really all your boat can really handle. That 3-Blade
will make backing in anything but a circle impossible.

Leave the three Blades to the crab crushers. Your boat doesn't have
enough wetted surface.

Ole Thom

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fiddle block w/cleat for main sheet

For your operating pleasure do a Harken ratcheting fiddle for the mainsheet.
You can ease the main in a breeze without setting your hand on fire.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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Hey Simian,

New Main; If you do a normal amount of sailing, with those Hong Kong
bargains you'll be asking for new sails by next Christmas

Docking Lines;

If you had a proper Yacht with fuel tanks, a proper Head/ holding tank,
If you ever sailed up to a Yacht Club Dock you might stand a chance for
that hot babe in the V-berth; but you would need docking lines to do
those things

Fiddle Block/ cleat for Main Sheet

Isn't that how you got that customG shaped Boom?

Sunglasses

I have two pair of Sunglasses Smoked and Amber that are the equal of
yours and both pair cost me $22.00
Scotty, I'd like to suggest you go the your Eye Doctor and check
out the SUN SHIELD glasses. They are funky looking but are the equal of
the expencive models plus the are equipped with side shields

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scotty,

As a suggestion, forget about the 3-Bladed Prop. for your boat. A
2-blade folding is really all your boat can really handle. That 3-Blade
will make backing in anything but a circle impossible.

Why? ...... Prop walk???

I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage because it
really wasn't much use. It doesn't have any "grip" and it won't push the
boat along at more than 4 kts in any sort of chop.

Before reading your post, I had assumed that a three bladed folding prop
would be much better.



Regards


Donal
--

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That 3-Blade
will make backing in anything but a circle impossible.

Why? ...... Prop walk???


No, it's caused by the dark side of the force.
Really, Donal. You're such an idiot!

RB

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I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage because it
really wasn't much use. It doesn't have any "grip" and it won't push the
boat along at more than 4 kts in any sort of chop.

Either you have the wrong prop or you don't savy your engine's power curve.
Not surprising on either count.

RB

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well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2 blader.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote
I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage because it
really wasn't much use. It doesn't have any "grip" and it won't push the
boat along at more than 4 kts in any sort of chop.

Either you have the wrong prop or you don't savy your engine's power
curve.
Not surprising on either count.

Thanks Bob, but I'll wait for OT to comment before I attempt to come to a
conclusion.




Regards


Donal
--

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.


Fed-Ex say that they never heard of Plowville.

Can you give them directions?



Regards


Donal
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Yes, I can. Leave' Bird In Hand' and go towards 'Intercourse', which is
near 'Paradise', follow through till you come to 'Blue Ball' head East 9
miles and turn left. Look for the 5th barn on the right.

Scotty


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.


Fed-Ex say that they never heard of Plowville.

Can you give them directions?



Regards


Donal
--

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, I can. Leave' Bird In Hand' and go towards 'Intercourse', which is
near 'Paradise', follow through till you come to 'Blue Ball' head East 9
miles and turn left. Look for the 5th barn on the right.


The Fed-ex rep says that their new driver refuses to go near the place.
Apparently, the last driver who made a delivery, hasn't spoken a word
since - and trembles in fear whenever he sees a sheepskin coat like the one
that he used to wear!



Regards


Donal
--

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Donal wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote:

well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.


Fed-Ex say that they never heard of Plowville.

Can you give them directions?


Out of Baltimore just follow the trail of chicken bones from Steve's house.

Seahag

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...

Donal wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote:

well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.


Fed-Ex say that they never heard of Plowville.

Can you give them directions?


Out of Baltimore just follow the trail of chicken bones from Steve's
house.

Ah, well... I needed a new keyboard anyway.




Regards


Donal
--

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I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage because it
really wasn't much use. It doesn't have any "grip" and it won't push the
boat along at more than 4 kts in any sort of chop.

Sounds like it was the wrong dia or pitch.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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Out of Baltimore just follow the trail of chicken bones from Steve's =
house.

Seahag

I thought he ate the bones, too...

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katysails wrote:

Out of Baltimore just follow the trail of chicken bones from Steve's house.

Seahag

I thought he ate the bones, too...

Nah, after he sucks the marrow out at dinner he fills 'em with squirty
cheese as a snack on the way home.

Seahag

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Now I see Neals' point about the nonsensical clucking of the women around
here. Sheesh!

SV


"Seahag" wrote in message
...

katysails wrote:

Out of Baltimore just follow the trail of chicken bones from Steve's
house.

Seahag

I thought he ate the bones, too...

Nah, after he sucks the marrow out at dinner he fills 'em with squirty
cheese as a snack on the way home.

Seahag

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Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop? On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.
If this is the case and racers want the folding prop, they must settle
for a smaller Prop. This may have been what happened with your Props.
That may be the reason Scotty is talking feathering.

Ole Thom

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Tom, reread Scotty's original post. He is talking about a 3 bladed
FEATHERING prop. By definition, the blades are flat, symetrical and
reverse to the same pitch as forward. The great feature of a 3 bladed
feathering prop is 3 blade power in both directions and NO propwalk. I
have a 17" Feathering 3 blade PYI Maxprop on a fin keel boat. Zero
propwalk and it stops in its own length from 3 kn.



On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:22:17 -0800 (PST), (Thom
Stewart) wrote:

Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop? On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.
If this is the case and racers want the folding prop, they must settle
for a smaller Prop. This may have been what happened with your Props.
That may be the reason Scotty is talking feathering.

Ole Thom

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Never Mind, Tom. I only read your last sentence after the fact.
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:22:17 -0800 (PST), (Thom
Stewart) wrote:

Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop? On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.
If this is the case and racers want the folding prop, they must settle
for a smaller Prop. This may have been what happened with your Props.
That may be the reason Scotty is talking feathering.

Ole Thom

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Marc, reread Thoms' post. Especially the last line.


"Marc" wrote in message
...
Tom, reread Scotty's original post. He is talking about a 3 bladed
FEATHERING prop. By definition, the blades are flat, symetrical and
reverse to the same pitch as forward. The great feature of a 3 bladed
feathering prop is 3 blade power in both directions and NO propwalk. I
have a 17" Feathering 3 blade PYI Maxprop on a fin keel boat. Zero
propwalk and it stops in its own length from 3 kn.



On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:22:17 -0800 (PST), (Thom
Stewart) wrote:

Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop? On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.
If this is the case and racers want the folding prop, they must settle
for a smaller Prop. This may have been what happened with your Props.
That may be the reason Scotty is talking feathering.

Ole Thom

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"Marc" wrote in message
...
Tom, reread Scotty's original post

Marc, I believe that Thom has been on boats for about 60 years.

I'm really impressed that you know so much more than he does. In future, I
shall rely on *you* for all serious sailing advice.





Regards


Donal
--

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Don't know how to tell you this Scott, but according to Dave Gerr NA, unless
you do a lot of motorsailing or just plain motoring, the folding prop is the
better choice, for one reason only. Less drag.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote
I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage

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How smart can he be, he met with boob****.

SV

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Marc" wrote in message
...
Tom, reread Scotty's original post

Marc, I believe that Thom has been on boats for about 60 years.

I'm really impressed that you know so much more than he does. In future,
I
shall rely on *you* for all serious sailing advice.





Regards


Donal
--

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I motor very little.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Don't know how to tell you this Scott, but according to Dave Gerr NA,
unless
you do a lot of motorsailing or just plain motoring, the folding prop is
the
better choice, for one reason only. Less drag.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
well, I wanted a 3 blade feathering, but what the hay, send me the 2
blader.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote
I've got a two bladed folding prop which sits in the garage

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop?

It has the same spec. 11" x 14"(IIRC). However, it has much less
surface than the fixed prop. I was told that it had smaller blades so that
it could fold. The blades are the same diameter when extended, but they
don't extend as far back. When I am motoring, they seem to have less
"bite".

I wonder if there are better folding props available. Perhaps, I've just
been unlucky. I will have a look the next time that I visit the Boat Show.




On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.

Mine doesn't have this problem.



Regards


Donal
--

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
How smart can he be, he met with boob****.

Case closed ... Eh?


Marc, you are now the official ASA fountain of all sailing related
knowledge! Step forward, and take a bow.




Regards



Donal
--

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What make of prop do you have? The Gori?
http://www.pyacht.net/cgi-local/Soft...ore/h-gori_fol
ding_props.htm?L+scstore+cnyz7272ff80d180

John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop?

It has the same spec. 11" x 14"(IIRC). However, it has much less
surface than the fixed prop. I was told that it had smaller blades so
that
it could fold. The blades are the same diameter when extended, but they
don't extend as far back. When I am motoring, they seem to have less
"bite".

I wonder if there are better folding props available. Perhaps, I've just
been unlucky. I will have a look the next time that I visit the Boat
Show.




On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades fold.

Mine doesn't have this problem.



Regards


Donal
--

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Now I see Neals' point about the nonsensical clucking of the women =
around
here. Sheesh!

SV

So you're saying the truth is nonsense?

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Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Donal, check the thread. Three minutes after I posted to Tom, and
before Scotty's reply, I caught my mistake and retracted.


On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:44:20 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


"Marc" wrote in message
.. .
Tom, reread Scotty's original post

Marc, I believe that Thom has been on boats for about 60 years.

I'm really impressed that you know so much more than he does. In future, I
shall rely on *you* for all serious sailing advice.

Fine by me.




Regards


Donal

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No thanks, I could never fill your or jax's shoes

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:34:17 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
How smart can he be, he met with boob****.

Case closed ... Eh?


Marc, you are now the official ASA fountain of all sailing related
knowledge! Step forward, and take a bow.




Regards



Donal

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Scotty wrote...

I sail very little.

Scotty

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
What make of prop do you have? The Gori?

http://www.pyacht.net/cgi-local/Soft...ore/h-gori_fol
ding_props.htm?L+scstore+cnyz7272ff80d180


I bought the prop from the dealer who sold me the boat. I've no idea what
make it is! I'm fairly sure that there is no name stamped on it.

I've looked at the link (above), but the photos are too small for me to see
if my prop is identical.

Regards


Donal
--




John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Yeah Donal,

Prop walk it is. Scott's Sidelminn has a pretty fine, cut away stern
and bow. The Prop walk of a 3-bladed prop will spin his hull off
course
very easily. He would have compensation going forward with the prop
wash
going over his rudder but in reverse a real problem. The flow from his
rudder would just be fed into the Prop and used for Prop walk.

By the way, that folding Prop in your garage, is it the same size as
your original Prop?

It has the same spec. 11" x 14"(IIRC). However, it has much less
surface than the fixed prop. I was told that it had smaller blades so
that
it could fold. The blades are the same diameter when extended, but they
don't extend as far back. When I am motoring, they seem to have less
"bite".

I wonder if there are better folding props available. Perhaps, I've
just
been unlucky. I will have a look the next time that I visit the Boat
Show.




On my boat I use a fixed 13x13 Std bladed and a
folding 13x13 with streamlined blades. The Folding outperforms the
fixed by a mile.except in reverse. I have to pop the RPM high enough
to
open the blades and it sure does kick the stern over.

Another problem with the folding Props is sometimes there isn't enough
room between the end of the shaft and the rudder to let the blades
fold.

Mine doesn't have this problem.



Regards


Donal
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