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I Remembered. I went sailing today. Actually went yesterday evening and
came back today. Cold!! Thank's goodness for the Pilothouse. Temp 41 Degrees. Wind damn light. About 3 knots. Doug, Thought a lot about you on the way back. BBQ'd Ribs on the way back on the Heat Pal. Beautiful aroma sailing back. I was wondering if you ever tried the Recipe? So; "LET'S REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!" And "DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
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Thom Stewart wrote:
I Remembered. I went sailing today. Actually went yesterday evening and came back today. Cold!! Thank's goodness for the Pilothouse. Temp 41 Degrees. Wind damn light. About 3 knots. Doug, Thought a lot about you on the way back. BBQ'd Ribs on the way back on the Heat Pal. Beautiful aroma sailing back. I was wondering if you ever tried the Recipe? So; "LET'S REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!" And "DRINK TO THAT!" You bet I remembered. Some of us at the marina were standing at attention 8am yesterday for hoisting the flag. Nobody said a word but we all knew what we were there for. I've never made BBQ ribs, can you cook them on the engine manifold underway? I spent most of the day 1- walking the dog 2- working on our heater system, which is finally showing signs of coming together. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Joe,
Hickum has no shore batteries Joe, but your right about the Sub. It was sunk by the USS Ward. I believe it was a Jap two man scout Sub OT |
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We "screened" Pearl Harbor last night in memory of the day using our wiz bang
home theater and our WEGA TV. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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We "screened" Pearl Harbor last night in memory of the day using our wiz bang
home theater and our WEGA TV. Not a very good movie, but the attacks scenes are technically impressive. What type of sound system are you using. RB |
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boob was rootin for the japs.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... We "screened" Pearl Harbor last night in memory of the day using our wiz bang home theater and our WEGA TV. Not a very good movie, but the attacks scenes are technically impressive. What type of sound system are you using. RB |
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boob was rootin for the japs.
Jap: Racist term, usually disparaging : JAPANESE I had to look it up. Very sad that someone like Scotty, who has quite a lot to be thankful for, is still capable of such terms. RB |
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what's wrong with calling them slant-eyes, japs. It's short for japanese.
SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... boob was rootin for the japs. Jap: Racist term, usually disparaging : JAPANESE I had to look it up. Very sad that someone like Scotty, who has quite a lot to be thankful for, is still capable of such terms. RB |
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Not a very good movie, but the attacks scenes are technically impressive.
What type of sound system are you using. I should post it so you could attempt to knock it. Just let me say that home theater is not as important to me as my audio system which resides in another room. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: What type of sound system are you using. I should post it so you could attempt to knock it. Just let me say that home theater is not as important to me as my audio system which resides in another room. The Train Room? Seahag |
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Nah, the trains are in the basement. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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SAIL LOCO wrote: The Train Room? Nah, the trains are in the basement. Get out! You don't have them around the tree? Seahag |
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Get out! You don't have them around the tree?
I have a 0 gauge layout in the basement and I run G scale around the tree. G scale is very quiet. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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UP YOUR OZZY ASS,
If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking German. The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to Europe. We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES. OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement? I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!! We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!! SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!" Damn that felt good, Ole Thom |
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This is another occasion where I agree with you, Oz. I hate that. Ole Thom, the rest of the world knows full well that the USA sat on its hands while Europe got turned to trash. The only reason you guys entered the war at all was because the Japanese were foolish enough to attack you. If they hadn't, you'd have done nothing for years more, maybe forever. The first bit's fact, the last is speculation based on your behaviour at the time. You guys lost people and lots of them. Most of your troops were mediocre to OK but there were lots of them and they had a superb logistical tail, which is what wins modern wars. The marines fighting through the Pacific islands were superb combat troops. However, you never had your people killed in things like the Sandakan death march, Changi or a lot of other places. You sat all that stuff out. We have long & bitter memories of WW2. The Japanese treated our POW's atrociously. You guys let a lot of them off after the war was over because the politics had changed. We brought troops home from the Middle East to fight in the Pacific. We were fighting the Axis powers in Africa while you guys were watching from the sidelines and we fought them to a standstill with no help at all from you. A lot of the countries down this way are still wary of us because they know what we did and what we could do again if we decided it was necessary. We had a lot of experience in jungle warfare while you guys stayed home. FYI, it's also a matter of historic record that the Japanese weren't going to try to take Australia. They just wanted us out of Asia. We stopped them in PNG with little/no help from you guys. It's real easy, Thom, to claim that nobody won an offensive battle without the USA. Real easy - considering you sat it out until the tide had turned. Peter Wiley In article , Donny's Dilemma wrote: I'm getting horribly sick of you waving your flag and claiming the US won the war single handed. Take a look at the losses of ANZAC troops during the war in Europe and the Pacific,,,,all from a nation with a population of less that 6 million at the time. The Japs attacked us in Darwin and in Sydney...you have no clue old man other than the patriotic bull**** you've been feeding on all your life. AFA delaying your entry into war, you delayed getting into Europe when a quick decision would have ended it all that much faster before the German army had a stranglehold AND you delayed entry into the Pacific while thousands were killed by Jap hands then, after you're directly attacked, decide that you might have a war on your hands. Go here and get an education http://www.minerva.com.au/austwardia.../kokoda%20trai l.htm Have a look at the real story Thom. What I was refering to that brought about your inane rant was that the story as told appeared a little embelished to achieve a particular aim....You swallowed it, Choke on it you sanctimonious old fart! On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:29:01 -0800 (PST), (Thom Stewart) wrote: UP YOUR OZZY ASS, If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking German. The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to Europe. We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES. OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement? I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!! We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!! SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!" Damn that felt good, Ole Thom Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Dilemma wrote: [snip] OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement? Funny, the history books don't say anything about US troops outside Stalingrad helping to keep the Germans out. Or the battles all the way to Berlin. Thom, your knowledge of history is appallingly biased. Stick to sailing, you actually know what you're talking about there. Peter Wiley |
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Peter Wiley wrote: This is another occasion where I agree with you, Oz. I hate that. Ole Thom, the rest of the world knows full well that the USA sat on its hands while Europe got turned to trash. That's not a fair statement at all. The USA hardly "sat on it's hands." Ever hear of Lend-Lease? The strategic planners in the US were getting prepared to fight WW2 as early as 1936. Nazi sympathirzers and isolationists in American politics tried very hard to tie FDR's hands, and to some extent they succeeded. But, would the US Army Air Corp have bought the B-17 Flying Fortress in depths of the Depression, if somebody didn't see a big need for it on the horizon? The only reason you guys entered the war at all was because the Japanese were foolish enough to attack you. If they hadn't, you'd have done nothing for years more, maybe forever. The first bit's fact, the last is speculation based on your behaviour at the time. IMHO that's even more ridiculous than any 'Murrikun claiming that the US of A won the war single-handed. There is no way the United States would have avoided entering the war on the side of the Allies. However, you never had your people killed in things like the Sandakan death march, Changi or a lot of other places. You sat all that stuff out. We have long & bitter memories of WW2. The Japanese treated our POW's atrociously. You guys let a lot of them off after the war was over because the politics had changed. And possibly, by sidetracking this darker side of human nature, we averted an even more disastrous WW3. Revenge and reparations are what brought on the Depression and WW2. I'd prefer to not see two sets of blindly patriotic brinksmen shout at each other, the facts are both more interesting & more useful. Regards Doug King |
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Joe,
OZ replied to your story about Iwo Jama like he was talking about a Hollywood Movie; Quote OZ, "Damn, and he did it all in a monologue with flags waving in the background." I took exception to his belittling remark and reminded him of a few facts that they have been trying to forget for a half a century. They go on and on about knocking us "Yanks" our President, Our government, our morals anything American. They want us to let them have free shot at us but scream like hell when we remind them of a few fact about themselves. What is really sick is their silly replies. Things like we sat on our hands until the Jap attack us. They don't want to remember Pearl Harbor and they don't want us to either. They can remember Their "Death March" but don't want to remember the "Bataan Death March" They really seem to think that it was our obligation to defend them, when they couldn't or wouldn't do it for themselves I've asked our critics to tell me what they done in WW2 for themselves before we got in the War. They post about how they fought the Germans in North Africa but they can't seem to understand that they let the German get control of that whole area. They sure a hell don't remember the Americans invading Casa Blanca and TOGETHER we drove the Hun back into Europe. They talk about Stalingrad but they seem to forget that we agreed, at Pottsdam, with Stalin to open a second front to ease the pressure on the Soviet (Normandy) They (Our Critics) seem to resent us remembering TRUE history. They want to remember History as they want it to be. They can't except the fact that they were Losers in WW2 until America became involved. They hadn't shown any, (Zero) offensive action until the YANK took over. Now, after the fact, they try to say we didn't get in the War until near the End. WE GOT IN AND ENDED THE DAMN WAR!!! Now when we show our PRIDE it seems to bother them, Screw them (The misguided Critics) "REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!!" we will always remember how they died for Liberty!!! We will alway remember those American Grave all over the World that are there because the World couldn't take care of itself; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!!" Ole Thom |
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This is Ole Fart,
You poor sad Aussy Cry Baby, I requested one victory won that gained one single yard of Axis territory before you had the YANKS on your side. I'm still waiting You talk about embellishment on Joe's story. Holy ****, read those diaries you sent me to read, they are nothing but embellishment about defeats. Also, check the dates on those stories. For your information the Yanks were involved in that victory in New Guinea Your boys fought a hell of a fight there. They gave the Jap everything they got from them and more. You have a Right to be proud of them but so do we. We brought your forces relief I also know your people welcomed our defeated Army with open arms and let us lick our wounds under your care. I REMEMBER IT with pride for your people. Without AUSSIE help and the foothold they gave us, I'm not sure how we would have fought back. Fought back we did Island by Island right to the Jap Homeland in an Offensive War. In the Islands, in Burma, in China. It was the Yanks that turned WW2 Allied Forces into an Offences Force. That is the FACT. Everywhere but in the Soviet. The Russians turn themselves into an offence unit. That is another story. It's called the Cold WAR. Ole Thom |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Now when we show our PRIDE it seems to bother them, Screw them (The misguided Critics) Thom, I don't think that your pride is what causes offence. The offence is caused by your apparent contempt for the efforts, suffering, and 40(?) million non-Americans. You are correct to feel enormous pride in what you, and your country did. You are wrong to belittle the contributions made other nations. "REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!!" we will always remember how they died for Liberty!!! We will alway remember those American Grave all over the World Good sentiment, that are there because the World couldn't take care of itself; Bad sentiment!! This last part is pure conjecture, and very offensive. Regards Donal -- |
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This is another occasion where I agree with you, Oz. I hate that. No kiddin, show just how stupid you are. However, you never had your people killed in things like the Sandakan death march, Changi or a lot of other places. Peter, Did you ever hear of the Battan death march? My grandfather was there, and had several friends killed along the march. He was in the PI as an oilfield worker and was given a line commission a week after the japs attacked pearl harbor. He spent the war as a POW at Sinagowa and I could go indepth about the torture he received. Do you know anyone that has been tied to a chair and had his legs broken with a cast iron fire thongs. Grandpa did. He wasent a happy camper about it, the only thing good that came out of it was he got to go to the war crime trials in Tokyo and got to see the sorry jap that did it hanged. All over stolen rice, stolen by Japs citizens that worked at the camp You sat all that stuff out. We have long & bitter memories of WW2. The Japanese treated our POW's atrociously. You guys let a lot of them off after the war was over because the politics had changed. We killed the worst of them. We brought troops home from the Middle East to fight in the Pacific. We were fighting the Axis powers in Africa while you guys were watching from the sidelines and we fought them to a standstill with no help at all from you. A lot of the countries down this way are still wary of us because they know what we did and what we could do again if we decided it was necessary. We had a lot of experience in jungle warfare while you guys stayed home. In other words you were useless until the USA stepped in and saved you sorry asses huh? FYI, it's also a matter of historic record that the Japanese weren't going to try to take Australia. They just wanted us out of Asia. We stopped them in PNG with little/no help from you guys. It's real easy, Thom, to claim that nobody won an offensive battle without the USA. Real easy - considering you sat it out until the tide had turned. Peter Wiley Keep dreaming you un-grateful ****! Joe MSV RedCloud In article , Donny's Dilemma wrote: I'm getting horribly sick of you waving your flag and claiming the US won the war single handed. Take a look at the losses of ANZAC troops during the war in Europe and the Pacific,,,,all from a nation with a population of less that 6 million at the time. The Japs attacked us in Darwin and in Sydney...you have no clue old man other than the patriotic bull**** you've been feeding on all your life. AFA delaying your entry into war, you delayed getting into Europe when a quick decision would have ended it all that much faster before the German army had a stranglehold AND you delayed entry into the Pacific while thousands were killed by Jap hands then, after you're directly attacked, decide that you might have a war on your hands. Go here and get an education http://www.minerva.com.au/austwardia.../kokoda%20trai l.htm Have a look at the real story Thom. What I was refering to that brought about your inane rant was that the story as told appeared a little embelished to achieve a particular aim....You swallowed it, Choke on it you sanctimonious old fart! On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:29:01 -0800 (PST), (Thom Stewart) wrote: UP YOUR OZZY ASS, If it wasn't for those dead BOYS you Upside down, backward wise ass mates would be servicing Jap masters and British would be speaking German. The Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in the Pacific and the next day our Army and Navy set sail. Where, why Europe to fight the Germans. The English, Aussies, Kiwi were all trying to save "JOLLY OLD" We had to fight a delaying war in the Pacific so that our real might could go to Europe. We lost a lot of young men (BOYS) to save a bunch of backing and surrendering armies. We had to build our strength to fight a two front war and save YOUR SORRY ASSES. OZ, I asked this question before in this group. I'll ask it again;- Can you, any of you Yank Haters, Name one offensive battle that was won by the rest of the World's Army before the American got into the WW2? One battle anywhere that was an attack on a AXIS POWER that took one foot of territory from the AXIS without the Yanks involvement? I Don't think you can. You people are great a knocking us. So, I'm taking this opportunity to tell it as it was. Tell it to the smart asses that want to forget what they COULDN'T" DO AND WE DID FOR THEM!!! We can HONOR our heroes any damn well way we want to. WE EARNED IT, WE PAID FOR IT, AND DAMNIT WE DIED FOR IT!!! SO UP YOU'RE OZ. , In WW2 you were LOSERS and us YANKS made you WINNERS AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!" Damn that felt good, Ole Thom Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Why don't you get her books on tape or CD? Worked for my
dad... kept him going for quite a while. Donny's Dilemma wrote in message ... Thom, something you might be interested in. Just got off the phone to my mum, I ring her every day or so as she's nearly blind now and her health is failing pretty fast. Sharp as a tack but her body is letting her down and now that her lifeblood, reading, has gone, her spirit is flagging as well. Anyway, our conversation here came up and she started talking about her dad "Farv" we called him a name taken from the way his first grandson, me, used the word "grandfather" when I first spoke to him. To the point... She mentioned that he never spoke of Australian, English,American nor any other force individually, He always referred the them as Allies, he saw the armies as one. She then mentioned that he always referred to Gurkha troops as "Gurkhas" out of respect for theirloyalty and resolve. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Peter,
Your historical facts? Geez are they really screw up. Things in the Pacific didn't turn around until after the "Battle of Midway" A 100% Yankee operation. Your quoting facts that just aren't true. Pearl Harbor date Dec 7 th, 1941. That was the Day that will live in Infamy. When you use some of these God-knows where you get your fact, please check the dates! Again, I'll say it again. List a battle that was of a Offensive Nature that was a Victory against the Axis Power before that date; (Dec 7, 1941) If your fact are correct and the Tide had changed as you say, You should have no problem stating where you stated pushing the Japs back to their Island Empire. If you can't then I believe you can't say the War had change in the Allies favor. Then you should give the Yanks some credit. If you can't then; SHUT THE HELL UP Ole Thom |
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Peter,
Once again you say we let a lot of "them go" Peter I was in WW2 and we put a lot of JAP to death. How many did you Down-under fighters sentence to death? Don't make stupid statements about the Yanks when you've fallen way short of their actions. This whole discussion came about because of a stupid comment by OZ about a story of American Pride at the statue of the Flag Rising at Iwo Jima. Your statement are even dumber. If you're upset by my replies then prove them wrong. If not except them, as OZ thought he'd get away with his SNIDE comment about Joe's posting. Ole Thom |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Again, I'll say it again. List a battle that was of a Offensive Nature that was a Victory against the Axis Power before that date; (Dec 7, 1941) If your fact are correct and the Tide had changed as you say, You should have no problem stating where you stated pushing the Japs back to their Island Empire. Thom, You give the impression that you think that America would have won the war without any help. Do you believe that the US would have defeated the Japs without any assistance? Regards Donal -- |
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Donny's Dilemma wrote in message ... On 11 Dec 2003 12:43:48 -0800, (Joe) wrote: Have you ever heard of it? 6 of 2400 Australian prisoners survived http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...2/sandakan.htm Read it, .... had to respond, ...... but can't think of anything to say! Regards Donal -- |
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donut, I'm pretty sure the Enola Gay was a Merican plane, w/ Merican
pilot/crew. Do you believe otherwise? SV "Donal" wrote Do you believe that the US would have defeated the Japs without any assistance? Regards Donal -- |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... donut, I'm pretty sure the Enola Gay was a Merican plane, w/ Merican pilot/crew. Do you believe otherwise? Nope! Does that mean that the US didn't need any assistance to beat the Japs? Regards Donal -- |
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Donal,
I have no contempt of anyone in WW2. I admire the Fighting Qualities of the Aussie and Kiwi's. I have nothing but admiration for the Native Population that also fought by our side. No one can challeng the Brit Defense Nature. They just didn't know how to Win, I can't say I liked the Japs or the Huns but By Christ, I admire them as fighters. My problem is with the Yank haters that think they have unlimited access to throw any snide comment, think they will be accepted as true if they aren't objected to Donal, have you noticed how upset you guys get when their stupid comment are challenged? I think I have every right to state my facts. Don't accuse me of statements or feeling I don't have to make a point. Anti Yank replies are very, very creative. If you don't like the facts that I use, prove them wrong. Don't make up your own statements and say they are mine so that you have something to argue about. You Yank Baiter have gotten my blood up this time. Remember Pearl Harbor, 12/7/1941!!! That was the Day that America got into the war (WW2) and lead the Allies to Victory. After the War Victory came the Truman Doctrine including the Marshall Plan to aid those defeated countries a chance to repair their infrastructure so that they could regain their place among the Nations of the World ( Done by the America Tax Payer) Was in affect until we went to war in Korea under the UN Banner. If you hit the U.S. with Snide Comments, Boy make sure your own shirt is clean because I'm ready to strike back AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!" By the way Donal, I'm still waiting for the battle that was the start of the offense that lead to the defeat of the Axis that took place before Dec 7, 1941. I do believe you, my friend were the first of the "Baiters" I asked Ole Thom |
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wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: This is another occasion where I agree with you, Oz. I hate that. Ole Thom, the rest of the world knows full well that the USA sat on its hands while Europe got turned to trash. That's not a fair statement at all. The USA hardly "sat on it's hands." Ever hear of Lend-Lease? The strategic planners in the US were getting prepared to fight WW2 as early as 1936. Nazi sympathirzers and isolationists in American politics tried very hard to tie FDR's hands, and to some extent they succeeded. But, would the US Army Air Corp have bought the B-17 Flying Fortress in depths of the Depression, if somebody didn't see a big need for it on the horizon? The only reason you guys entered the war at all was because the Japanese were foolish enough to attack you. If they hadn't, you'd have done nothing for years more, maybe forever. The first bit's fact, the last is speculation based on your behaviour at the time. IMHO that's even more ridiculous than any 'Murrikun claiming that the US of A won the war single-handed. There is no way the United States would have avoided entering the war on the side of the Allies. However, you never had your people killed in things like the Sandakan death march, Changi or a lot of other places. You sat all that stuff out. We have long & bitter memories of WW2. The Japanese treated our POW's atrociously. You guys let a lot of them off after the war was over because the politics had changed. And possibly, by sidetracking this darker side of human nature, we averted an even more disastrous WW3. Revenge and reparations are what brought on the Depression and WW2. 2 separate things. I agree with you WRT the reparations which undoubtedly broke the Weimar Republic and led pretty directly to the rise of the Nazi Party. doing the same after WW2 would have been pointless and counterproductive. I disagree about treating war criminals as such. The Japanese got off a lot more lightly than the Germans did. I'd prefer to not see two sets of blindly patriotic brinksmen shout at each other, the facts are both more interesting & more useful. Yep. I was responding in kind and I'm going to kill this thread. PDW |
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I think you have forgotten about the battles in North Africa. Cheers MC Thom Stewart wrote: Again, I'll say it again. List a battle that was of a Offensive Nature that was a Victory against the Axis Power before that date; (Dec 7, 1941) If your fact are correct and the Tide had changed as you say, You should have no problem stating where you stated pushing the Japs back to their Island Empire. |
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Donal,
You have done it again! Your taking YOUR IMPRESSION and implying that it is mine. Cheap trick!! WE fought WW2 as a team. You Yank-baiters are the ones that make comment about a member of that team. Belittling, snide comments. I'm asking you to prove you were winning the WAR before we joined the team. Since I asked for this proof I've heard about everything but. WERE THE ALLIES WINNING THE WAR WITHOUT THE YANKS? We'll talk about the Marshall Plan later and was it necessary Ole Thom |
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Dear Thom,
Do Naval battles count? Cheers MC Thom Stewart wrote: Peter, Your historical facts? Geez are they really screw up. Things in the Pacific didn't turn around until after the "Battle of Midway" A 100% Yankee operation. Your quoting facts that just aren't true. Pearl Harbor date Dec 7 th, 1941. That was the Day that will live in Infamy. When you use some of these God-knows where you get your fact, please check the dates! Again, I'll say it again. List a battle that was of a Offensive Nature that was a Victory against the Axis Power before that date; (Dec 7, 1941) If your fact are correct and the Tide had changed as you say, You should have no problem stating where you stated pushing the Japs back to their Island Empire. If you can't then I believe you can't say the War had change in the Allies favor. Then you should give the Yanks some credit. If you can't then; SHUT THE HELL UP Ole Thom |
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Dear Thom
What about the battle of the Coral Sea? Cheers MC Thom Stewart wrote: Peter, Your historical facts? Geez are they really screw up. Things in the Pacific didn't turn around until after the "Battle of Midway" A 100% Yankee operation. Your quoting facts that just aren't true. Pearl Harbor date Dec 7 th, 1941. That was the Day that will live in Infamy. When you use some of these God-knows where you get your fact, please check the dates! Again, I'll say it again. List a battle that was of a Offensive Nature that was a Victory against the Axis Power before that date; (Dec 7, 1941) If your fact are correct and the Tide had changed as you say, You should have no problem stating where you stated pushing the Japs back to their Island Empire. If you can't then I believe you can't say the War had change in the Allies favor. Then you should give the Yanks some credit. If you can't then; SHUT THE HELL UP Ole Thom |
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