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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
Doug, you got me thinking about the
Capri 37 in comparison to other boats. I wanted to compare it to the Olson 40 but could not find the specs on that boat. It is amazing that the J-109 can do what the Capri 37 can, with respect to performance, while bringing along a cruising interior. The Mumm 36 is a very fast boat with probably more space on the inside, blistering speed, and twice the cost. It is also a boat with substantially more resale value than the Capri 37. These numbers below show the comparison between the older heavier designed Capri 37 vs. a more modern racing boat, the Mumm 36, and a modern racer/cruiser, the J-109. I think the Capri 37, built with modern SCRIMP technology and with a lighter keel could shave off 3000 lbs, and increase it's performance substantially. Other boats rating around 72 are the Express 37 (75), J-37, J-41, J-35 (75), C&C 4, Baltic 42 DP, Baltic 46, and BENETEAU 473 SD. Capri 37 Mumm 36 J-109 Price range $40k ~$80k $220k (new) Length: 37'4" 35'10" 35'3" LWL: 30'6" 31'9" 30'6" Beam: 12'0" 11'10" 11'6" Draft: 7'0" 7'4" 7'0" Dis.(lbs.): 11,000 8,150 10,900 Ballast: 4,700 3,500 3,900 PHRF" 72-75 42-45 72 So the Capri 37, a nice design has been overcome by newer technology, but while not the ideal choice for racing or cruising still has can give it's crew a huge amount of fun with spartan accomodations. Bart Senior |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
And that's what it should be about for most people. Fun for $ spent. When
people ask me if I am going to get a bigger boat I always say I wouldn't have twice as much fun. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
N1EE wrote:
Doug, you got me thinking about the Capri 37 in comparison to other boats. I wanted to compare it to the Olson 40 but could not find the specs on that boat. Okay, I got specs o' plenty. Table below. You'll love the ballast displacement ratio on the O40. Not much interior though, but it does pass the capsize screen. It is amazing that the J-109 can do what the Capri 37 can, with respect to performance, while bringing along a cruising interior. Well, the J-109 has a pretty nice nterior but I wouldn't call it a "cruising interior." Maybe I'm just spoiled? Does it have a water heater & and oven... gotta have fresh bisquits or you're not cruising. These numbers below show the comparison between the older heavier designed Capri 37 vs. a more modern racing boat, the Mumm 36, and a modern racer/cruiser, the J-109. I think the Capri 37, built with modern SCRIMP technology and with a lighter keel could shave off 3000 lbs, and increase it's performance substantially. Well, take off the ballast and the Capri 37 has about 6300# of fiberglass or a bit less. So you're talking about a 50% reduction... possible, especially considering that it was built on a production line without a good reputation for strong & light construction... but it would take some slick engineering and probably a lot of advanced material. Other boats rating around 72 are the Express 37 (75), J-37, J-41, J-35 (75), C&C 4, Baltic 42 DP, Baltic 46, and BENETEAU 473 SD. The Serendipity 42, a very nice Doug Peterson design, rates there or a bit lower too. Schock 35, Santana 35, Frers 38 and Frers 41, which would probably be my pick or the Baltic 42DP. The J-41 is a bit freakish especially for a J-boat, and doesn't have much more interior than the Capri 37. The Soverel 39 has a decent cabin and is a nice boat too. So the Capri 37, a nice design has been overcome by newer technology, but while not the ideal choice for racing or cruising still has can give it's crew a huge amount of fun with spartan accomodations. Yep, watching the Congressional Cup and some of the other events sailed in this boat, I get the impression they are fun to sail. Not as fast as the real hot rods but then probably not as quarrelsome either. Thanks for the data table, here's my contribution FWIW. Boat Olson 40 Aerodyne38 C&C 110 Soverel 39 LOA 40.3 37.7 36.3 38.4 LWL 36 34.3 31.5 31.6 Bm 10.5 13 12 12.5 Draft 6.6 7.8 6 7.5 Disp 10230 11250 10900 11500 Ballast 7100 4150 4200 ? SA 475 907 730 799 S/D 16.2 29 23.8 25.2 D/L 98 124 156 163 PHRF 48 45 66 60 Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
Well, the J-109 has a pretty nice nterior but I
wouldn't call it a "cruising interior." Right. The fact that you spend all your time bent over is the reason the 109 was born. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
Woops, sorry I thought the discussion was about the 105.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
SAIL LOCO wrote:
Woops, sorry I thought the discussion was about the 105. I think the 109 is bigger inside but still kinda skimpy on amenities & stowage. The J-105 is more of a weekender. When we checked one out at a boat show, my wife marvelled that they could use up 34 feet of boat and put so little inside. And the super-soaker V-berth is not my idea of fun either. But a lot of people really like these boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
I think the 109 is bigger inside but still kinda skimpy on
amenities & stowage. The J-105 is more of a weekender. When we checked one out at a boat show, my wife marvelled that they could use up 34 feet of boat and put so little inside. And the super-soaker V-berth is not my idea of fun either. I've been on both. The 109 has stand up head room and includes more of a "cruising" interior. As far as the V berth goes I've heard that all bow sprits leak. I assume that's what you were refering to. Js are popular w/ people who like the one design thing events etc. If I were to buy new in that size range I'd buy a C&C99 or an X-Yacht. I wouldn't want to have to spend the "keep up w/ the competition money" every year. Plus I'd be spending 6 times what I spent on my present boat and I doubt if I'd have 6 times the fun. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Comparison: Capri 37, Mumm 36, J-109
Plus I'd be spending 6 times what I
spent on my present boat and I doubt if I'd have 6 times the fun. This must be the new math, applied to the "fun" factor. If you had a C&C99 or my upcoming C&C 34XL you'd have more fun. Not 6 times more, but certainly more. Anyone want to crunch the numbers on this? RB |
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Comparison: new chart
Sorry, the wrap screwed up on the first posted chart. 2nd try
Boat Olson40 Aerodyne38 C&C110 Soverel39 LOA 40.3 37.7 36.3 38.4 LWL 36 34.3 31.5 31.6 Bm 10.5 13 12 12.5 Draft 6.6 7.8 6 7.5 Disp 10230 11250 10900 11500 Ballast 7100 4150 4200 ? SA 475 907 730 799 S/D 16.2 29 23.8 25.2 D/L 98 124 156 163 PHRF 48 45 66 60 |
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