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Keep it as long as the canister is OK - I suspect you can still get the
thing checked by one of the FE companies. Halon works well, better than
anything else - that's why our ship still has Halon for the engine room
fire suppression system. It's been used in anger twice so far.

In article ,
The_navigator© wrote:

That's what I thought. So halon for boat fires is best. Right now we are
syupoosed to be decomissioning all our halons. I've handed on in but
there's still another on board (in addition to the dry powder). I wonder
if I should keep it -just in case. what do you think?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

In a space that can be closed off, yeah. Been there, done that, got the
T-shirt.....

PDW

In article ,
The_navigator© wrote:

Halon is best?

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:

In article , Donals Dilemma
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:05:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
news:031220031120583773%peter_d_wiley@hotmail .com...

Here in Australia we can build/buy anything we like and sail it
anywhere there's enough water to float it.

Top marks!

If Oz has his way, you won't be able to get out if bed without a bloody
certificate!

Quite the contrary my dear Donal.
I have no sailing qualifications and carry letters of recommendation
whenever I travel and plan on doing any sailing or chartering.

There was a few years ago a push by Govt to require licensing of
anyone who wished to take a boat outside of enclosed water. I was a
vigorous campaigner against this move but was behind regulations that
require certification regarding First Aid and use of survival
equipment for offshore races where boats are pushed into conditions
where the normal rec sailor wouldn't venture.

Heh. All of my people (including myself) have current first aid,
survival at sea & marine firefighting certs. Most of us are qualified
SCUBA divers and have boat licences of various types, limited coxwain
or full coxwain being most common.

Try putting out a fuel oil fire in a (simulated) bilge with grates,
deck plates etc if you want something really scary.

PDW

Doug S. KING the liar

Still working on it aren't you? If anyone rereads the posts they will
see that I was offering YOU a way of explaing YOUR ideas. Hence the
elliptical wing which I did not discuss.

But the real point is that you try to besmirch me yet again by saying
that I "conveniently dropped the distinction between section & profile
when discussing aerodynamic shapes" which is plainly a lie. There was no
convenience about it. You did not pick up and discuss elipitical
theories anyway. Furthermore I certainly did not use the terms "section
and profile" -as i said. So try to twist as you want but but you are
still a liar.

C'mon why don't you threaten me again with a hiding? Why not come here
and deliver it in person?

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:

- conveniently dropped the distinction between section & profile when
discussing aerodynamic shapes

I never used those terms so this a pure fabrication. This shows you
again to be a complete liar. You really are pathetic in your attempts to
dicredit me. So come on, post the evidence you liar.

Nope, sad to say, it is quite true. Not only that, you began the discussion about
lift/drag ratios and relative developed power in light air, and then claimed it was
more important to reduce heeling moment.

Now (drum roll please) the bare facts, from the Google archive

From: DSK )
Subject: Hey simple!
Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa
Date: 2003-11-28 04:27:51 PST

The navigator© wrote:

I wonder if our disagreement arises because your theories are based on
ideas originating from the "eliptical wing" and a desire to make the
main adopt an eliptical shape as far as camber is concerned (by making
the top fuller)?

Huh? AFAIK the elliptical wing is usually referred to profile, not section shape.

So, I can definitely say, no that's not it.

Increasing fullness also helps solve the roach support
problem -which is offset in modern sails with full length battens and
stiffer fabrics. Some sudies (e.g. here at Auckland) have shown this is
not correct for high aspect roachy mains where the camber (and lift)
should be reduced at the top of the sail to reduce heeling moment.

Hello? Why are you talking about 'reducing heeling moment' in light air?

In
the extreme case, negative (!) camber could improve performance by
reducing the heeling of the vessel..

Yes it could, but not in light air.

*** *** ***

There you have it folks. Yet another fine example of Navvie© losing his grip on his
own malarkey and attempting to change the subject. Happens every time he tries to
discuss real sailing... check the record.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article , Donals Dilemma
wrote:

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:45:21 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

Not banned for ship engine rooms. Nothing else is as effective. My
computer room on the ship has a halon-based fire suppressant system
too. Probably redundant these days - was put in when the room was full
of DEC Vaxen, now we use a handful of Solaris/Linux machines to do the
same job. One lonely Win2K machine because it runs an app for which
thre is no linux equivalent, unfortunately.

PDW

Your thoughts on this?

http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/t...ary/000706.htm
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Interesting for small boats. I've never heard of a runaway on halon,
didn't think of it as a fuel and too lazy to check. Certainly diesels
can runaway on oil fumes & the like.

Our ships have watertight & damn near airtight doors (wouldn't
guarantee they were airtight totally) so engine rooms can be shut off &
fires starved of oxygen. Under those circumstances a runaway diesel
will draw a partial vacuum but stop.

I'm pretty sure Halon has now been banned everywhere
http://www.deh.gov.au/minister/env/97/mr16sep297.html

We still have it on the ship and I *think* we still have it on the
Antarctic bases for the same reason.

Might catch up with you some other Xmas. Wherever you're heading, have
a good one.

PDW

Doug S. KING the liar

MC, have you implanted some Neal and Booby genes in yourself as some =
weird experiment? ala Isle of Dr. Moreau? Your strident and =
argumentative tone suggests all is not well in NZ.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Doug S. KING the liar

NO I want my MONEY.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

MC, have you implanted some Neal and Booby genes in yourself as some weird experiment? ala Isle of Dr. Moreau? Your strident and argumentative tone suggests all is not well in NZ.

~name removed~ the liar

The navigator© wrote:

NO I want my MONEY.

Well then, you'll have to win the bet.

So far you have lost pathetically, and if you don't mind your manners a little better you might find yourself with a bit of legal bother. A lawyer who hangs around our office says it
could well be actionable as slander and certainly malicious mischief, to title one's posts with another person's name and call them a liar.

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

~name removed~ the liar

Well ask your friend about threats. And as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro? That was a lie
and you know it. So ask your friend how publishing the truth is actionable?

Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?
As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends and I'm
waiting for you to simply agree to send the money to a third party! IYou
see, I don't think you are honorable at all and I don't trust youi to
pay up -hence the need for an intermediary. After all, if I reveal my
information why would someone like you pay up?

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

My Dilemma wrote in message
...

As an aside.
Air Services Australia, the body that controls and regulates Oz
airspace, is responsible for 14% of the Earths surface.

I understand! My opinion is revised, and now I am undecided on the issue.

I have an intrinsic hatred of government interference in sailing. Maybe
PDW's idea of special insurance for EPIRB owners would offer an acceptable
compromise.

Regards

Donal
--

~name removed~ the liar

The navigator© wrote:

... as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro?

You can calculate whatever LPOS you think best, but if the boat rolls back up from a capsize then as far as I
(and the *real* world) am concerned, it might as well be 180.

Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?

I want you to either send me my money, in US funds, and quit your blather about things you don't know anything
about.

As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends

Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

DSK