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Is your vessel seaworthy?
It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions. Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels arrive but never leave. When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC |
Is your vessel seaworthy?
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote: . The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was a "yes or no" question....:) |
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What's the use of it there?
Cheers MC felton wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: . The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was a "yes or no" question....:) |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:41:57 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote: What's the use of it there? Cheers MC Well, as I sail on a lake I probably don't need one at all, but it is a handy thing to have if the weather looks iffy. It is surprising how well a boat can move with a flat little blade and a double reefed main. Although I keep a 110 on the furler, I would be the first to admit that you can't get any sort of acceptable sailshape by reefing a furling headsail. At least I have never have. felton wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: . The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC I have one. It's in my attic next to my Christmas tree, but as it was a "yes or no" question....:) |
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My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking at it proves him wrong. I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong and sound. My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation. I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions. Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels arrive but never leave. When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC |
Is your vessel seaworthy?
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? I suspect that my boat is "seaworthy" in the same sense that Ella is. No, I don't have a strom jib. I have a spinnaker that can be flown in up to 34kts! Does that count? Regards Donal -- |
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felton wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:41:57 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: What's the use of it there? Cheers MC Well, as I sail on a lake I probably don't need one at all, but it is a handy thing to have if the weather looks iffy. It is surprising how well a boat can move with a flat little blade and a double reefed main. Although I keep a 110 on the furler, I would be the first to admit that you can't get any sort of acceptable sailshape by reefing a furling headsail. At least I have never have. Quite so. When using the roller furler, with a padded luff I can get an OK shape if I furl my #2 by no more than 10%. This extends the useful wind range by about 5 knots but no more IMHO. If I was planning more extensive off shore cruising I would love twin headstays, but I mostly use the foil with #1, #2 jenoas and a #3 blade. Cheers MC |
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Ah, you've not watched "my pumpkin the weather girl" have you??? But
seriously, I told you my computer was infected with Katytipe. ;-) Cheers MC two wheels wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: [snip] How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC I think every dyslexic ocean sailor should pack a strom jib. two wheels -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQA/AwUBP80O7NCBA23eyf45EQKImQCgljtVtsjZRI9vBVdBTa0Vq4 QfN/8Anij3 OlePTCnQBAQ10VgNCRU7l0KR =2J8c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I'm sure you vessel would be recognised for it's state of preparedness!
I bet you have everything properly stowed and tied down too in case of knockdown. I'd like to hear about your provisions for emergency steerage and rudder loss. Also, do you have SSB and a radio operators licence? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking at it proves him wrong. I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong and sound. My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation. I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions. Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels arrive but never leave. When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC |
Is your vessel seaworthy?
Donal wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? I suspect that my boat is "seaworthy" in the same sense that Ella is. Has your boat been inspected? No, I don't have a strom jib. I have a spinnaker that can be flown in up to 34kts! Does that count? Ever tried it in 34 knots? Cheers MC |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:49:29 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote: felton wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:41:57 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: What's the use of it there? Cheers MC Well, as I sail on a lake I probably don't need one at all, but it is a handy thing to have if the weather looks iffy. It is surprising how well a boat can move with a flat little blade and a double reefed main. Although I keep a 110 on the furler, I would be the first to admit that you can't get any sort of acceptable sailshape by reefing a furling headsail. At least I have never have. Quite so. When using the roller furler, with a padded luff I can get an OK shape if I furl my #2 by no more than 10%. This extends the useful wind range by about 5 knots but no more IMHO. If I was planning more extensive off shore cruising I would love twin headstays, but I mostly use the foil with #1, #2 jenoas and a #3 blade. Cheers MC I have always been a bit perplexed and amused that so many sailors only have one headsail and it is almost invariably a 150 around here. Things get pretty ugly when the wind picks up, but the new boat buyers seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail, wing keel and 3 bladed prop:) |
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Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib? Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-) A 34kt spinnaker....and then... ..... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!! Regards Donal -- |
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The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. All lockers and hatches can be dogged in place. Everything should stay put even in a knockdown or rollover. I don't have a single sideband transceiver. In my opinion it is not necessary on a small cruiser. A good short-wave radio with single sideband receiving capabilities is good enough. I have a Grundig Yachtboy. One learns by listening not by running one's mouth. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I'm sure you vessel would be recognised for it's state of preparedness! I bet you have everything properly stowed and tied down too in case of knockdown. I'd like to hear about your provisions for emergency steerage and rudder loss. Also, do you have SSB and a radio operators licence? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking at it proves him wrong. I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong and sound. My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation. I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions. Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels arrive but never leave. When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom jib? Cheers MC |
Is your vessel seaworthy?
Don't forget the jack lines, harnesses, life belts...
Donal wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib? Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-) A 34kt spinnaker....and then... .... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!! Regards Donal -- |
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Don't ask. The imagination of it frightens me.
Cheers MC Donals Dilemma wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Out board in idle to steer a boat in F8? Are you joking -I hope so.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway
in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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the new boat buyers
seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail, wing keel and 3 bladed prop:) Definition of a Catalina sailor.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly?
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder
would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching. A storm severe enough to break off the rudder would be a survival storm. Repairs would have to be made AFTER the storm passed. A rudder is only necessary when going to weather. Heaving-to or lying-to under storm trysail requires no rudder. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Out board in idle to steer a boat in F8? Are you joking -I hope so. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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She'll heave-to with no rudder and forereach? Amazing.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching. A storm severe enough to break off the rudder would be a survival storm. Repairs would have to be made AFTER the storm passed. A rudder is only necessary when going to weather. Heaving-to or lying-to under storm trysail requires no rudder. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Out board in idle to steer a boat in F8? Are you joking -I hope so. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with
seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest vessel. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Don't ask. The imagination of it frightens me. Cheers MC Donals Dilemma wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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I've got two telescoping jib poles as well. They are long enough
when not expanded and very strong with triple layers of tubing. If the windsurfer masts carried away the jib poles could be pressed into service. What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound. It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless steel shaft. It ain't likely to break. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Go away with your inane comments, please. S.Simon "katysails" wrote in message ... the new boat buyers seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail, wing keel and 3 bladed prop:) Definition of a Catalina sailor.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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That was exactly my point ans why the skippers knowledge is a factor in
deciding vessel sea worthiness. Some can take a 'weak' vessel and nurse her while others let the **** get beaten out of the boat and loose big strong vessels. On one delivery job, when a halyard parted the skipper/owner practiaclly wanted to get the life raft out ! I've also heard of super yachts being abandoned when they lost their rigs 'cos the people on board didn't know what to do. That skipper is still being sought by the authorities I believe and may have scuttled off to the med or islands. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest vessel. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Don't ask. The imagination of it frightens me. Cheers MC Donals Dilemma wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Rudder failure is depressingly common.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: I've got two telescoping jib poles as well. They are long enough when not expanded and very strong with triple layers of tubing. If the windsurfer masts carried away the jib poles could be pressed into service. What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound. It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless steel shaft. It ain't likely to break. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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I wonder when you last saw the tangs? SS corrodes very quickly in an
anaerobic environment. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound. It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless steel shaft. It ain't likely to break. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:50:55 -0500, "katysails"
wrote: the new boat buyers seem to be convinced that the key to performance is the big headsail, wing keel and 3 bladed prop:) Definition of a Catalina sailor.... That is who I was referring to:) My previous slip neighbor had all that and dinghy davits with an inflatable complete with 15hp outboard hanging off the back of his new Catalina 36. Mighty salty for our lake:) |
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Can't see tangs unless I had the thing x-rayed. Putting my
faith in quality Coronado construction. I have never read a single, solitary report of rudder failure on any Coronado 27. I wonder how it would be possible. My rudder is free to swing 360 degrees. Unless the tiller was tied rigidly in place there is little strain on the rudder/rudder stock. I use bungee cords a lot for self steering and they have lots of give and would break well before the rudder would. Ya gotta be smart if ya wanna be a successful sailor like me. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I wonder when you last saw the tangs? SS corrodes very quickly in an anaerobic environment. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: What's all this concern with broken rudders? Mine is sound. It has lasted for thirty years and has a two-inch stainless steel shaft. It ain't likely to break. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Did you know that spinnaker poles often break when used thusly? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: The outboard has a twenty inch shaft and the cutaway in the transom is only about a foot above the water. The motor stays in the water pretty well. Remember there is a pretty nice stern wave when making way through he water. Not the aluminum windsurfer masts. They are pretty crush proof. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: No problem! As long as the fuel holds out the boat can be steered with the motor in gear and the throttle just above an idle. That should allow some time to steer through or wait out adverse conditions. I didn't know that they built outboards with shafts long enough to stay in the water as the boat pitches thruogh a wild sea....when most rudders break. And your OB doesn't look unusually long, must be the camera angle eh http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Sheshines.html The motor can be taken off the transom without too much trouble and the wood fitted in the safety of the cockpit but this would best be done in calmer conditions for safety and to keep from losing the motor overboard. In the meantime, I have two windsurfing masts aboard which I could easily make into a steering oar lashed to the transom So you don't know anything about the mechanical properties of a windsurfer mast either.....they crush easily... S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which pivots. You can bolt taht all in place in a seaway in adverse conditions without falling over the side? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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You don't know my boat. I do. So shut the hole
under your pimply nose. S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:54:51 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: In force 8 in the open sea I would heave-to under storm trysail. A rudder would not be necessary as the trysail would keep her forereaching. She'd weathercock in a blink!!! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest vessel. S.Simon And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster. True but it should be every man's right to do as he damn well pleases without some big brother interference. As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller. To hell with government interference in such mundane and personal choices such as sailing. S.Simon |
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Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:00:57 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: You've no idea how many times I've heard that from owners of yachts that later come in for rudders. 4" shafts snap like twigs when a yacht is driven backward by a breaking wave. That's due to poor design. Any 'barn door' rudder can not be expected to take the strain on the hinges when it fetches us hard against the stops. But, my rudder is free to turn through 360 degrees. How's it gonna break off when pushed backwards? It will just pivot around on its axis so the leading edge is leading. Superior design in every way! S.Simon |
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I see your point. Trouble is that they set off EPIRBS and/or relatives
demand they be rescued... Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest vessel. S.Simon And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster. True but it should be every man's right to do as he damn well pleases without some big brother interference. As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller. To hell with government interference in such mundane and personal choices such as sailing. S.Simon |
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Where does the tiller go during this propellor action? Does it whip you
into submission? Cheers MC Simple Simian wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:00:57 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: You've no idea how many times I've heard that from owners of yachts that later come in for rudders. 4" shafts snap like twigs when a yacht is driven backward by a breaking wave. That's due to poor design. Any 'barn door' rudder can not be expected to take the strain on the hinges when it fetches us hard against the stops. But, my rudder is free to turn through 360 degrees. How's it gonna break off when pushed backwards? It will just pivot around on its axis so the leading edge is leading. Superior design in every way! S.Simon |
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Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:12:21 -0000, "Donal" wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message .. . You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib? Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-) A 34kt spinnaker....and then... .... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!! You really do sail a fragile piece of junk then? It really did feel like that the last time! We came into port with only *one* halyard! (bear in mind that we knew that we needed a halyard to get someone up the mast!) Mind you, it was one *hell* of a trip! I suspect that even you would have admitted that you would have enjoyed it. Nobody wore pantyhose! Regards Donal -- |
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Did they have spare underwear?
Cheers MC Donal wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:12:21 -0000, "Donal" wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... You sail in the Channel and don't have a storm jib? Better check your life insurance, most won't pay up on suicide :-) A 34kt spinnaker....and then... .... spare halyards, snap-shackels(sp?), and a hard hat for the bowman!! You really do sail a fragile piece of junk then? It really did feel like that the last time! We came into port with only *one* halyard! (bear in mind that we knew that we needed a halyard to get someone up the mast!) Mind you, it was one *hell* of a trip! I suspect that even you would have admitted that you would have enjoyed it. Nobody wore pantyhose! Regards Donal -- |
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"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Don't forget the jack lines, harnesses, life belts... Phhhhttt! We don't have "inspectors" here ..... yet! Regards Donal -- |
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Make it known beforehand that any and all rescues be
paid for by those who are rescued and their families. If a rescuer dies in the rescue process then payments to his widow should also be part of the process. This would put a stop to all this hollering for rescues when wimp sailors get so much as a tummy ache. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I see your point. Trouble is that they set off EPIRBS and/or relatives demand they be rescued... Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:56:07 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: Hey, a lot of successful voyaging has to do as much with seamanship as it has to do with a seaworthy vessel. Poor seamanship can result in the loss of even the stoutest vessel. S.Simon And going to sea ill prepared is a recipe for disaster. True but it should be every man's right to do as he damn well pleases without some big brother interference. As long as a man goes out and drowns himself and doesn't call in rescuers it's his own affair. If and when any sailor calls in rescuers all expenses should be born by the caller. To hell with government interference in such mundane and personal choices such as sailing. S.Simon |
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