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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
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How many people here even have a strom jib?

Cheers MC

I think every dyslexic ocean sailor should pack a strom jib.

two wheels


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Ah, you've not watched "my pumpkin the weather girl" have you??? But
seriously, I told you my computer was infected with Katytipe.
;-)
Cheers MC

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:50:08 +1300, The_navigator©
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How many people here even have a strom jib?

Cheers MC


I think every dyslexic ocean sailor should pack a strom jib.

two wheels


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My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

I'm sure you vessel would be recognised for it's state of preparedness!
I bet you have everything properly stowed and tied down too in case of
knockdown. I'd like to hear about your provisions for emergency steerage
and rudder loss. Also, do you have SSB and a radio operators licence?

Cheers MC


Simple Simon wrote:

My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

The outboard motor can be used for steerage if the rudder
breaks off. I have suitable wood and nuts and bolts to make
a foil to attach to the shaft of the outboard motor which
pivots.

All lockers and hatches can be dogged in place. Everything
should stay put even in a knockdown or rollover.

I don't have a single sideband transceiver. In my opinion it is
not necessary on a small cruiser. A good short-wave radio with
single sideband receiving capabilities is good enough. I have
a Grundig Yachtboy. One learns by listening not by running
one's mouth.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
I'm sure you vessel would be recognised for it's state of preparedness!
I bet you have everything properly stowed and tied down too in case of
knockdown. I'd like to hear about your provisions for emergency steerage
and rudder loss. Also, do you have SSB and a radio operators licence?

Cheers MC


Simple Simon wrote:

My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

You're in no danger of running across an NZ inspector, since
you'll never be taking your boat anywhere, let alone NZ.

$5... put up or shut up loser.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
My vessel is seaworthy. I would get really ****ed if I had sailed
to NZ and some fool bureaucrat tried to tell me my vessel was
not seaworthy. The very fact that the bureaucrat was looking
at it proves him wrong.

I have a storm jib and a storm trysail. I have a 75% jib and
double reefing on the mainsail. All my sails are relatively new
and the storm sails have very little use so they are still strong
and sound.

My vessel has all new standing rigging and positive flotation.
I don't need some nerdy bureaucrat snooping around demanding
fees for 'services' which are not wanted or needed.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

Given that I've only had my boat out the Gate once and given that
it's only 20 feet, I'm not sure I can say that it's seaworthy as far
as offshore goes. In fact, I'm sure it isn't. It is capable of safe
operation in the bay, however. I carry all required safety
equipment, and I have lots of extra good-idea items also. Here,
the CG is only interested in you if you're either boarded on a
spot inspection or get into trouble. There is little, if any consideration
given to prevention. You would not believe some of the vessels
that transit the bay no less leave the bay. People die and boats
capsize and sink quite regularly in the bay itself. Many of the
reasons are alcohol related, but a lot are either due to stupidity or
a crap boat (well, I guess those are the same thing).

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

I can see you are aware of the limitations of the vessel you own. That
is a good sign. Now take that fool DSK whon thinks a Bolger micro with
open bow(!) and ustayed rig is a better seaboat than a Cornish crabber.
With ideas like that it's not surising he's run away from sailing. He
probably thinks that 50' from shore is offshore!

Cheers MC


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Given that I've only had my boat out the Gate once and given that
it's only 20 feet, I'm not sure I can say that it's seaworthy as far
as offshore goes. In fact, I'm sure it isn't. It is capable of safe
operation in the bay, however. I carry all required safety
equipment, and I have lots of extra good-idea items also. Here,
the CG is only interested in you if you're either boarded on a
spot inspection or get into trouble. There is little, if any consideration
given to prevention. You would not believe some of the vessels
that transit the bay no less leave the bay. People die and boats
capsize and sink quite regularly in the bay itself. Many of the
reasons are alcohol related, but a lot are either due to stupidity or
a crap boat (well, I guess those are the same thing).

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

All boats have limitations, but a sailor doesn't have to be limited by his
or her boat.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
I can see you are aware of the limitations of the vessel you own. That
is a good sign. Now take that fool DSK whon thinks a Bolger micro with
open bow(!) and ustayed rig is a better seaboat than a Cornish crabber.
With ideas like that it's not surising he's run away from sailing. He
probably thinks that 50' from shore is offshore!

Cheers MC


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Given that I've only had my boat out the Gate once and given that
it's only 20 feet, I'm not sure I can say that it's seaworthy as far
as offshore goes. In fact, I'm sure it isn't. It is capable of safe
operation in the bay, however. I carry all required safety
equipment, and I have lots of extra good-idea items also. Here,
the CG is only interested in you if you're either boarded on a
spot inspection or get into trouble. There is little, if any
consideration
given to prevention. You would not believe some of the vessels
that transit the bay no less leave the bay. People die and boats
capsize and sink quite regularly in the bay itself. Many of the
reasons are alcohol related, but a lot are either due to stupidity or
a crap boat (well, I guess those are the same thing).

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

Cheers MC