Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

religion worshipping whatever God they
happen to fancy.

Of all the silly beliefs in god and angels, the Greeks did it best. Zues and
Apollo would beat the living hell out of Jesus!
And his old man!

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:

Jesus existed. I *can* prove that.


Really? Go on, I'm waiting.

I have an awful suspicion that any evidence that I offer will be rubbished.


To some people, it is self-evident that Bush lied. Other people cannot see
it at all. They *genuinely* cannot see that Bush lied. They still believe
that Saddam had WMD. They still believe that Saddam posed a real threat to
the security of the West. These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.


It is very unlikely that any evidence that I produce will have any influence
at all on your current opinion. So, I would be grateful if you would tell
me what kind of evidence would constitute "proof" for you.

Nevertheless, I will offer you the following:-
http://puddy.webspace.fish.co.uk/jesus/josephus.htm


However, I ask that you play fair. After you have finished pouring scorn
on this page, please tell me what you would accept as irrevocable proof. If
you have the closed mind of a Bush supporter, then I would ask that you
spare us both the effort of a futile debate.



Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.

Bush has been able to turn up little more than paperwork and a few scattered
deals by Saddam. Yet still some Americans won't admit to the obvious.
This is not about truth for them. It's about being right. Even if they're
wrong, they believe that repeating it again and again will make it truth.
It's same technique used to create god and Jesus.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


Donal wrote:


Jesus existed. I *can* prove that.


Really? Go on, I'm waiting.


I have an awful suspicion that any evidence that I offer will be rubbished.


To some people, it is self-evident that Bush lied. Other people cannot see
it at all. They *genuinely* cannot see that Bush lied. They still believe
that Saddam had WMD. They still believe that Saddam posed a real threat to
the security of the West. These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.


It is very unlikely that any evidence that I produce will have any influence
at all on your current opinion. So, I would be grateful if you would tell
me what kind of evidence would constitute "proof" for you.

Nevertheless, I will offer you the following:-
http://puddy.webspace.fish.co.uk/jesus/josephus.htm


However, I ask that you play fair. After you have finished pouring scorn
on this page, please tell me what you would accept as irrevocable proof. If
you have the closed mind of a Bush supporter, then I would ask that you
spare us both the effort of a futile debate.



Regards


That's interesting but he's reporting hearsay. He doesn't actually talk
about miracles so there's no evidence of divinity. Of course there were
probably lots of teachers that could have filled that description. If he
had known him it first hand and included corroborating evidence first
hand that would have been good. What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret? Is this your proof?

Cheers MC

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret?

As my father worked at the Museum of Natural History for many years and I had
brief access to the scrolls when they were secured for x-ray in 1991.
No one, and I mean NO ONE can read them. They are in a language that looks a
lot like Klingon, which of course re-enforces my belief that Star Trek was more
than just good sci-fi.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

A very valid point and, sadly, true I suspect.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.

Bush has been able to turn up little more than paperwork and a few scattered
deals by Saddam. Yet still some Americans won't admit to the obvious.
This is not about truth for them. It's about being right. Even if they're
wrong, they believe that repeating it again and again will make it truth.
It's same technique used to create god and Jesus.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Simple;

There you go again; History according to Neal Warren.

What was Abraham last name? David? Moses? Soloman? Plato? Alexander, the
great?

Even today. in Islamic Societies many go with just one name, without a
surname.

There is a great question about Mary and Joseph's trip for the census.
Was it really a census at that time and was that why the trip was taken.
Jewish professy was that the Master would be born of "The House of
David," which was Bethelham. Is that the way they got Jesus' birth
there? I don't know but the story has a lot of people using just one
name.

Can you enlighten me, Neal?

The more I think I know the more questions I have.

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote
....

As my father worked at the Museum of Natural History for many years and I had
brief access to the scrolls when they were secured for x-ray in 1991.
No one, and I mean NO ONE can read them. They are in a language that looks a
lot like Klingon, which of course re-enforces my belief that Star Trek was
more
than just good sci-fi.

Total nonsense. Much of the text has been translated. It isn't quite the same
as modern Hebrew, but its not that far off. The fact that several books of the
Bible were found intact helped a lot, but anyone familiar with Hebrew would
recognize it immediately. The big problem is that much of scrolls have crumbled
into small pieces - computers are helping now to put it all back together. Now
that photos of all fragments are available to scholars much progress has been
made.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/scroll.htm

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Then why are they secret?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret?

As my father worked at the Museum of Natural History for many years and I had
brief access to the scrolls when they were secured for x-ray in 1991.
No one, and I mean NO ONE can read them. They are in a language that looks a
lot like Klingon, which of course re-enforces my belief that Star Trek was more
than just good sci-fi.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

The church of the West claims he walked
this Earth as a God; the Church of the East claims he was human. The Son
of Man,=20

Sorry, THom, but your theology is a bit warped. Western religion =
believs that jesus walked this earth as a man but in the person of God. =
He was fully man. If He had not been, there would not have been =
Redemption by His death on the Cross. =20

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.

This is not about truth for them. It's about being right.

Exactly!

That is why neither you, nor The Naviagtor, will accept any proof that Jesus
existed. You have both already made up your minds.



Regards


Donal



--

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"The_navigator©" wrote

That's interesting but he's reporting hearsay. He doesn't actually talk
about miracles so there's no evidence of divinity.

He did mention the resurection, I'd call that a miracle.

However, since Josephus was borne after Jesus died, his reports aren't quite
contemporary. Further, his very brief description of the Christians in the
middle of a quite extensive book is more like "faint praise."

Of course there were
probably lots of teachers that could have filled that description. If he
had known him it first hand and included corroborating evidence first
hand that would have been good. What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret?

Since 1991 photos of the scrolls have been available to all scholars, with no
publication restrictions.

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

It's more a matter of convenient confusion and obfuscation
than people having one or two names at the time.

For example, I know of at least one local Old Thom. In
the future if someone writes about Old Thom many many
people will not have a clue as to whom the writer refers.

Same goes for this Jesus legend. Had those who believe
been more concerned with accuracy that could be proven
than a legend that could be exploited they would have
easily been able to give this Jesus legend a name that
could more easily prove his existence for future generations.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Simple;

There you go again; History according to Neal Warren.

What was Abraham last name? David? Moses? Soloman? Plato? Alexander, the
great?

Even today. in Islamic Societies many go with just one name, without a
surname.

There is a great question about Mary and Joseph's trip for the census.
Was it really a census at that time and was that why the trip was taken.
Jewish professy was that the Master would be born of "The House of
David," which was Bethelham. Is that the way they got Jesus' birth
there? I don't know but the story has a lot of people using just one
name.

Can you enlighten me, Neal?

The more I think I know the more questions I have.

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

The more I think I know the more questions I have.


I like that! Thanks, OT.




Regards



Donal

--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

No I haven't. I just haven't been given proof and your belief does not
convince me.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

These people were 100% confident that WMD would
be discovered shortly after the war ended. A sensible person would revise
his opinions if his predictions were not borne out by reality.

This is not about truth for them. It's about being right.


Exactly!

That is why neither you, nor The Naviagtor, will accept any proof that Jesus
existed. You have both already made up your minds.



Regards


Donal



--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Jeff Morris wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote

That's interesting but he's reporting hearsay. He doesn't actually talk
about miracles so there's no evidence of divinity.


He did mention the resurection, I'd call that a miracle.

I didn't see a description of his being dead for days and then coming to
life. I just saw a reference to his being alive for 3 days on the cross.
Did I miss it?

However, since Josephus was borne after Jesus died, his reports aren't quite
contemporary. Further, his very brief description of the Christians in the
middle of a quite extensive book is more like "faint praise."


Of course there were
probably lots of teachers that could have filled that description. If he
had known him it first hand and included corroborating evidence first
hand that would have been good. What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret?


Since 1991 photos of the scrolls have been available to all scholars, with no
publication restrictions.

That's not what I saw in a recent documentary. Are there pictures of
them on the web or scraps that reveal nothing?

Cheers MC

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

More nonsense. The Bible is great literature, possibly the finest ever written.
The problem is that some people think it is the word of God. Worse, they choose
to interpret it for their own means.

I'm particularly fond of Genesis and the other ancient writings - an interesting
collection of stories chosen as the basis for a relationship with God and as a
moral code.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The Bible has got to be the second
biggest joke on humanity right after the concept of
organized religion worshipping whatever God they
happen to fancy.


The Bible is the ultimate "How To cheat and scam People out of Money, Freedom
and Truth" manual.
The funny part is that people read it. They disregard elements and keep others
to support their system. It's no different from Horrorscopes, though more
sophisticated.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
He did mention the resurection, I'd call that a miracle.

I didn't see a description of his being dead for days and then coming to
life. I just saw a reference to his being alive for 3 days on the cross.
Did I miss it?

The phrase in a translation I've seen is "He appeared to them spending a third
day restored to life." But again, this was written 60+ years after the fact.

What concerns me is why are the contents
of the dead sea scrolls being kept secret?

Since 1991 photos of the scrolls have been available to all scholars, with
no
publication restrictions.

That's not what I saw in a recent documentary. Are there pictures of
them on the web or scraps that reveal nothing?

News seems to be very slow getting to you. You can get a translation of major
portions and any bookstore.
http://www.powells.com/subsection/Ch...eaScrolls.html
http://www.centuryone.com/720-7.html

The Huntington Library will loan microfilm to researchers:
http://www.huntington.org/LibraryDiv...eaScrolls.html

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Does that mean they won't be celebrating Christmas this year?

Scotty


"Donal" wrote

That is why neither you, nor The Naviagtor, will accept any proof that
Jesus
existed. You have both already made up your minds.



Regards


Donal



--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Then why are they secret?


Only the Vulcans know. My guess is that Jeff is probably Vulcan, or at the very
least half Vulcan.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Sorry Katy,

After the Nicen Conference the bishops of Alexander (The Church of the
West at the time) want Constantan to make the Bishops of the Eastern
Branch to live up to the agreement they signed at the conference. They
had the upper hand with Constantan & the Roman Army behind them. They
wanted Jesus to be considered a God at the time he was on Earth.

I agree with your view, maybe? He had to be fully human to complete his
mission on Earth. Not as a God but fully as a human. If that is what you
are saying, we're on the same page!!

"I'll Take a wafer and a sip of the grape!" on that.

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

I suspected you'd suspect as much.

Seahag

The_navigator© wrote:

I guess you are confriming that there is no factual evidence that this
person existed. I suspected as much.

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Frankly, you're asking the wrong person - you might ask someone that
cares.
Part of the "uncertainty" is that the likely Hebrew name is sometimes
written in
English as Joshua, but is actually closer to Yahoshua. And, of course,
the
vernacular was a version of Aramaic.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Are you saying we don't actually know his name???????????

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:


OK, the name "Jesus" didn't exist back then. In fact, it was spelled

"Iesus" in

the King James Bible. His Hebrew name would have been "Joshua" or a

variation

of that.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


Well that's supicious for a start -the bible doesn't use his correct
name???? Where's his birth records?

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:



I'm not sure of that "record," but I think most informed observers
would

agree


that Jesus probably did exist, that he was a Rabbi, and that he was

crucified.


The issue at doubt is his divinity.

As for his name, it was rather common, and by Jewish tradition he had
no

last


name. He would either be known as "... son of ..." or identified by
his

town.


And by definition, religion, or perhaps I should say "faith", is

irrational.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



A man named Jesus is on historical record as having been
crucified. If I remember the record correctly there were
two other men crucified at the same time.

The other two dead men were no more Gods than Jesus
was. What was Jesus' last name anyway? Did he even
have a last name? Funny how everybody else in those days
seems to have had a last name. Maybe religious legends
don't need a last name?

Maybe religions are irrational? Yes, that's it.

How one group of religious nuts can claim with absolute
surety theirs is the only TRUE religion should tell any
sane man that NONE of them are right!

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message

.. .



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...



Jesus? Don't you mean Easter Bunny?
There is NO Jesus, dummy.


Jesus is a matter of historical fact!

There is NO hard evidence that Jesus ever existed. Not even a
fossil

record.

Bob, You're an idiot.

Jesus Christ existed. He was crucified.

Believe it or not, these facts are a matter of record.


You live in a very young country. Perhaps you, mistakenly, think
that
records do not exist from the year 30AD. In fact, they do. There
is

*NO*

doubt about the existence of Jesus. NONE whatsoever! The Romans
were
great beaurocrats. They kept written records of all public events.

Both

the Birth, and the Cruifixion of Christ are documented facts.

You may well derive some personal gratification from the
denunciation of
Christ, but that is something that you will answer for.


Christ existed. That's an Historical fact.

Bush is a liar. That is also a fact!


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Wonderful Jeff,

A very great book of Literature of how an Ancient Group of religious
people chose to believe and explain their God and reasons for their
beliefs

That, my friend, is the most pointed thing I've heard out of this whole
discussion.

I can raise my glass to that

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Interesting you should say that. The Vulcan salute used by Spock is the hand
gesture used by the Orthodox Kohanim during the benediction blessing of the
service. The Kohanim are the male descendents of Aaron and are the "priestly
class" amongst Jews. To this day, Jews that are Kohanim (Cohens) have a special
place in the service, and DNA tests show that line has been rather faithfully
remembered.

Leonard Nimoy was a Kohanim, and grew up in the Orthodox community of the "West
End" of Boston. "Live long and prosper" is a shortened form of the benediction.

http://members.aol.com/judaism/ask/archives/qs006.htm

-jeff "Live Long and Prosper"


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Then why are they secret?


Only the Vulcans know. My guess is that Jeff is probably Vulcan, or at the
very
least half Vulcan.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
No I haven't. I just haven't been given proof and your belief does not
convince me.

Will you tell us what kind of proof that you would find convincing?


It's easy to debunk evidence that disproves your POV by moving the
goalposts. Bobsprit is expert at this form of debate. The rednecks also
excel at this form of arguement. I'm trying to avoid wasting my time by
asking a simple question.

So, if you can tell me what you would accept as incontroversal(sp??)
evidence, then I will go and look for it.


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Does that mean they won't be celebrating Christmas this year?


heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...



That's interesting but he's reporting hearsay. He doesn't actually talk
about miracles so there's no evidence of divinity.

You are already moving the goalposts because you read something that you
didn't like! I have made *NO* reference to divinity, in this discussion.

As far as I am aware, we are only discussing the existence of a man known as
"Jesus", who lived about 2000 years ago.



Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Yes, but, for the last couple hundred years or so, at least here in the
states, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.

BTW, some stupid liberal PC morons bitched about one of the schools'
Christmas decorations. They had to replace ''Merry Christmas'' banners with
''Happy Holidays''.

Scotty


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Does that mean they won't be celebrating Christmas this year?


heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time
existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yes, but, for the last couple hundred years or so, at least here in the
states, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.

BTW, some stupid liberal PC morons bitched about one of the schools'
Christmas decorations. They had to replace ''Merry Christmas'' banners
with
''Happy Holidays''.

Scotty

It's even worse here.

Taking a video of your 6 y/o child in the school Christmas play is now
banned because people might sell the images on the internet!!!!


When we were expecting our first baby (now almost seventeen!), I was shocked
by a midwife who told us that she didn't allow Cameras in *her* delivery
room, because men would take the photos down to the local pub, and sell
them!! That was the same evil bitch who wanted to let a student stick a
cathater into my wife's bladder so that she could relieve herself!! I
didn't allow that to happen - thank God!


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

So, if you can tell me what you would accept as incontroversal(sp??)
evidence, then I will go and look for it.


Proof.
Physical evidence = none
When it comes to ancient history, we can only speculate.
There is no hard evidence that Jesus existed. He could easily have been a
legend NOT based on a actual person.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

And who would buy them?

Am I too naive?


Too stupid. Too bad.

RB

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Seriously???? Is that a law, or a school policy? I'd tell the school to
stick it and video away.

Who would sell pics of their own child's birth? And who would buy them?

Am I too naive?

Scotty


"Donal" wrote

It's even worse here.

Taking a video of your 6 y/o child in the school Christmas play is now
banned because people might sell the images on the internet!!!!


When we were expecting our first baby (now almost seventeen!), I was
shocked
by a midwife who told us that she didn't allow Cameras in *her* delivery
room, because men would take the photos down to the local pub, and sell
them!! That was the same evil bitch who wanted to let a student stick a
cathater into my wife's bladder so that she could relieve herself!! I
didn't allow that to happen - thank God!


Regards


Donal
--

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

They
wanted Jesus to be considered a God at the time he was on Earth.

It's the Council of Nicea and Constantine, Thom. And the question was =
not between the Eastern and Western traditions of the Church but between =
the Roman beliefs vs. Arianism and Gnosticism. The Roman Church held to =
the creed that Jesus was man and God all in the same. What the First =
Council of Nicea did define was the essence of God as the Trinity; thus =
the birth of the Nicene Creed: =20
"...We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father."
Don't bother to argue about this. You might know all about WW2 but your =
religious history really needs some work.


--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

I suspected you'd suspect as much.

Seahag

I suspected there wasn't all that much to suspect on since his =
observations on the subject are suspect.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time =
existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.

And it worked. By incorporating local tradition and belief into the new =
religious belief, the new belief grew and devloped, surrounding itself =
with the flavor of the other traditions. It is one of the reasons =
Christianity spread. Much better than the "Divide and conquer" attitude.


--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Jesus was nowhere to be found

You didn't look hard enough. He was there.

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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Am I too naive?

Scotty
Sadly, yes.
--=20
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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Christianity and the HIV virus both spread and both
do about as much good for the world.

S.Simon


"katysails" wrote in message ...
heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.

And it worked. By incorporating local tradition and belief into the new religious belief, the new belief grew and devloped,
surrounding itself with the flavor of the other traditions. It is one of the reasons Christianity spread. Much better than the
"Divide and conquer" attitude.


--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

If he was then he's definitely not what you think he is.

BB

He is always there. Most just don't recognize Him. He was the poor =
clerk trying to be polite to all the rude crowd...He was the waitress =
pouring endless cups of coffee in the Mall restaurant...He was the old =
guy at the front of the store that smiled when you came in...you just =
weren't looking for the right things...

--=20
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Kirie Elite 32
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

I had to teach my hand how to do that salute or gesture. The fingers didn't
want to go left and right properly. Now on my other hand there are only two
fingers,l the little and ring fingers are long gone. So my version goes
like this: Right hand, Live Long and Prosper. Left Hand . .. "After
Taxes".

We're loading and have two more days at somewhere in the US. Then we are
going to go "somewhere". Shhhhhhhhhh.....Wouldn't want to tip off BS's
buddies.

Anyway I get two more days of .asa and then ... ...oblivion once again.

But I shall return . . . .

MST