The navigator© wrote:

.... I'm
just waiting to see if my estimate agrees with that of Bolger.

Seems to me that Phil Bolger would have more than an "estimate." It's very likely that at
least one person has done static tests on their boats.



BUT it's
not 180 degeees Dog and that is why you've lost.

Even if the Micro's stability is not 180 degrees, I have not lost anything. Did you find
something?


.. LPOS does not include buoyancy of the
rig as -I said.

The official calculation does not. However, it is not intended to be applied to homebuilt 15
footers. As a matter of strict practicality, the range of positive stability very much
includes the rig and the cabin trunk and deck camber and a number of other things that are
off the official balance sheet.

.... I just
have to show something that will have a higher LPS in that size range.
Remember ANYTHING includes boat designs. So I don't have to find an
existing boat but just simply specify a boat that has a higher LPS.

If the boat doesn't exist, then you'll have to built it and prove it doesn't have a higher
LPOS. Meanwhile I suppose I could go to the trouble of building a Micro and setting it up to
demonstrate 180 degree positive stability. It would probably cost less than your design, but
then that wasn't the bet.

The bet was that you could not name a boat in the same size range (by LOA or disp) that had a
higher LPOS. You have not done so, nor made a serious attempt. In fact your red herring about
designing your own boat to win the bet is pretty much an admission that you don't think such
a boat currently exists.

Therefor, you have lost.

DSK

DSK wrote:


The bet was that you could not name a boat in the same size range (by LOA or disp) that had a
higher LPOS. You have not done so, nor made a serious attempt. In fact your red herring about
designing your own boat to win the bet is pretty much an admission that you don't think such
a boat currently exists.


The bet was ANYTHING and that must include a design -by definition. I'll
also give another wager that LPS has not been measured in a micro built
to Bolger specifictaions so you'll just have to accept calculations from
Bolger and Friends won't you? In any case you have now revealed that you
have NO idea what the LPS might be and since I've a design with a 180
degree LPS you've still lost (and shown the world you were BSing with
the 180 figure).

So will you send a money order to a third party or apologise?

Cheers MC

The navigator© wrote:


So will you send a money order to a third party

Why should I when you lost your bet? If you persist, I will get some legal assistance local to you.
And what is the NZ law on internet slander? Do you want to find out?


or apologise?

Hows this:

eat ****, you jerk-off playtime pedant

DSK

The fact is I've nailed you big time on your BS and you owe me $10,000
dollars. It's only fair for this to matter to go to an independent third
party who will assess correspondence with Phil Bolger and Friends, my
design and the name of a micro cruise with an LPS less than 180 dgrees
(but more than the Bolger). Yes, I'd say (and I think everyone else
would say you've lost) your bet -which you instigated by the way. Your
verbal abuse indicates that you know you've lost I'd say. Why not
threaten me again you spineless wonder?

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


So will you send a money order to a third party


Why should I when you lost your bet? If you persist, I will get some legal assistance local to you.
And what is the NZ law on internet slander? Do you want to find out?



or apologise?


Hows this:

eat ****, you jerk-off playtime pedant

DSK

The navigator© wrote:

The fact is I've nailed you big time on your BS

No, the fact is that you've got your facts quite wrong.

I suggest that you take a few steps backward and read up on the implications of the capsize screen
formula.


and you owe me $10,000
dollars.

Nope, loser don't collect on bets. Winners do.

DSK wrote:


The navigator© wrote:


The fact is I've nailed you big time on your BS


No, the fact is that you've got your facts quite wrong.

Like you are wrong in that the LPS of a Bolger micro is less than 180
degrees? It's pretty clear you have no idea how LPS is calculated by a
designer do you?


I suggest that you take a few steps backward and read up on the implications of the capsize screen
formula.

Don't need to. I already know about it, the theoretical basis for the
formula and hence it's limitations. Why don't you google and read the
caveats associated with the online calculators and get a little education?



and you owe me $10,000
dollars.


Nope, loser don't collect on bets. Winners do.


Yes so why won't you agree to terms for payemnt of this bet.

Cheers MC

I suggest that you take a few steps backward and read up on the implications of the capsize screen
formula.

The navigator© wrote:
Don't need to. I already know about it, the theoretical basis for the
formula and hence it's limitations.

Then, you can explain how it pertains to "initial stability." Should be piece of cake for you.



Yes so why won't you agree to terms for payemnt of this bet.

Here's the terms: unless you post the name & the data of a boat which you select as having greater
reserve stability and higher LPOS than a Bolger Micro, you lose.

You have already had ample time to do so.

DSK