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Was going to post this as soon as I read it, but I though I'd wait until it
became available online. The most striking thing was turning the page after the Mac review and seeing the Malo. http://www.sailnet.com/sailing/03/bobnov03.htm A little later, seeing the article about sailing somewhere on a Canadian lake and noticing that was a Mac in the background of one of the pics, and apparently the author's boat as well. But, as the man himself says, it sails better than a powerboat and powers better than a sailboat! John Cairns |
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no it's not.
Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. |
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"John Cairns" wrote in message ... Was going to post this as soon as I read it, but I though I'd wait until it became available online. The most striking thing was turning the page after the Mac review and seeing the Malo. I've mentioned the Malo before. If I wasn't hooked on performance, I would be saving up for one. I suspect that when I get a bit older (like Oz), that I will want one. The report, IMHO, understates the level of standard equipment. I was unable to find anything that I would want to add to the basic package. Standard items included central heating, *Two* fridges (one between the starboard armchairs), an electric windlass, fenders, mooring lines, anchor, sails, etc.... etc. I cannot remember if the bow thruster was standard, but I assume that it was. A lovely boat .... just a little too slow [sigh]...... Regards Donal -- |
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Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Which part of Scotty's post was too difficult for you to understand? Regards Donal -- |
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I thought the juxtaposition was funny, read the very kind Mac review, turn
the page, read the Malo review. It seems the Malo story was copied verbatim from the print edition minus the photography. John Cairns "Jonny Wilkinson" wrote in message ... "John Cairns" wrote in message ... Was going to post this as soon as I read it, but I though I'd wait until it became available online. The most striking thing was turning the page after the Mac review and seeing the Malo. I've mentioned the Malo before. If I wasn't hooked on performance, I would be saving up for one. I suspect that when I get a bit older (like Oz), that I will want one. The report, IMHO, understates the level of standard equipment. I was unable to find anything that I would want to add to the basic package. Standard items included central heating, *Two* fridges (one between the starboard armchairs), an electric windlass, fenders, mooring lines, anchor, sails, etc.... etc. I cannot remember if the bow thruster was standard, but I assume that it was. A lovely boat .... just a little too slow [sigh]...... Regards Donal -- |
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?????????? Who is the smart guy, Perry? BTW, Mac call the X a "power
sailor". John Cairns Mark Waugh wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:54:07 -0500, "John Cairns" wrote: Was going to post this as soon as I read it, but I though I'd wait until it became available online. The most striking thing was turning the page after the Mac review and seeing the Malo. http://www.sailnet.com/sailing/03/bobnov03.htm A little later, seeing the article about sailing somewhere on a Canadian lake and noticing that was a Mac in the background of one of the pics, and apparently the author's boat as well. But, as the man himself says, it sails better than a powerboat and powers better than a sailboat! John Cairns Smart guy, smarter than most. He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. The X ? crossover! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Donals Dilema wrote in message ... Which part of Scotty's post was too difficult for you to understand? Oh I understand, he's just wrong is all. How *very* Australian. The designer of the 26X calls it a motorsailer. Well, it is, isn't it? Regards Donal -- |
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What doesn't he know?
Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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You mean one of these?
http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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''power implies more power'' ? is this one of those universe law thingys?
Donals Dilema wrote in message Same thing 'cept power implies more power. |
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I think we're on opposite tacks. When we say "motorsailer", we think of a
vessel that will sail reasonably well, and motor reasonably well. An experienced sailor told me that the "old" Mac26X sailed very badly indeed, if the wind was under 8kts. you couldn't get the boat to move. I remember myself last season trying out my new a-sail in very light winds, 4kts. IIRC, sailing by a Mac26x that didn't appear to be moving at all, sails up. It didn't occur to me at the time, I figured he was just a novice and couldn't get the boat to move. He probably wouldn't have been able to get the boat to move under sail in those gentle breezes in any event. It appears that MacGregor has made some modifications to improve the sailing efficiency of the boat, but I would consider it more of a powerboat with a mast than a "motorsailer", indeed, even MacGregor doesn't call it a "motorsailer" John Cairns "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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yes. nice lines, huh?
SV "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You mean one of these? http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Right, so then we all agree that Ozzy is full of ****.
SV "John Cairns" wrote in message ... I think we're on opposite tacks. When we say "motorsailer", we think of a vessel that will sail reasonably well, and motor reasonably well. An experienced sailor told me that the "old" Mac26X sailed very badly indeed, if the wind was under 8kts. you couldn't get the boat to move. I remember myself last season trying out my new a-sail in very light winds, 4kts. IIRC, sailing by a Mac26x that didn't appear to be moving at all, sails up. It didn't occur to me at the time, I figured he was just a novice and couldn't get the boat to move. He probably wouldn't have been able to get the boat to move under sail in those gentle breezes in any event. It appears that MacGregor has made some modifications to improve the sailing efficiency of the boat, but I would consider it more of a powerboat with a mast than a "motorsailer", indeed, even MacGregor doesn't call it a "motorsailer" John Cairns "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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No, not really.
Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: yes. nice lines, huh? SV "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You mean one of these? http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message om... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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I like all the modifications they do. Do you think Booby had this in
mind for Suzannes boat? http://macgregor26x.com/cgi-bin/MAC2...iew&record=127 Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: yes. nice lines, huh? SV "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You mean one of these? http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message om... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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You americans don't know sarcasm.
Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you couldn't smell the sarcasm? "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... No, not really. Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: yes. nice lines, huh? SV "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You mean one of these? http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message news:doe7svg03clmrv9rtbj5s7f7eh07qdls43@4ax .com... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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you couldn't smell the sarcasm?
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... No, not really. Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: yes. nice lines, huh? SV "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... You mean one of these? http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: that the M26X is not a 'motorsailor'. "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What doesn't he know? Cheers MC Scott Vernon wrote: you don't know, do you? Donals Dilema wrote in message om... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:24:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: no it's not. Mark Waugh wrote in message He calls the Mac26X a motor sailer, exactly what it is. OK, then what is it? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml
Ugliest piece of crap boat imaginable...even Neal's puke yellow = Crapanado is a better boat than that.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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You americans don't know sarcasm. Cheers MC I am the Queen of Sarcasm. I can scathe the skin off a person with = sarcasm. I can look down my nose and roll my eyes so effectively that = people quail at a glance from me and sneak off in fear. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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If my choice was no baot or a Mac26X I'd take the Mac. Of course, I'd
modify it. Cheers MC katysails wrote: http://www.macgregor26x.com/ourboat.shtml Ugliest piece of crap boat imaginable...even Neal's puke yellow Crapanado is a better boat than that.... |
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Of course you can Kook.
Cheers MC katysails wrote: You americans don't know sarcasm. Cheers MC I am the Queen of Sarcasm. I can scathe the skin off a person with sarcasm. I can look down my nose and roll my eyes so effectively that people quail at a glance from me and sneak off in fear. |
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Of course you can Kook.
Cheers MC You have a problem with that, Markie? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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If my choice was no baot or a Mac26X I'd take the Mac. Of course, I'd=20
modify it. With a blowtorch and dynamite? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Never tasted it myself.
Cheers MC katysails wrote: Of course you can Kook. Cheers MC You have a problem with that, Markie? |
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No, I'd put in Headroom vents and lots of other really clever things
like all those other resourceful Mac people. Of course, I'd also be hooked on pain killers. Cheers MC katysails wrote: If my choice was no baot or a Mac26X I'd take the Mac. Of course, I'd modify it. With a blowtorch and dynamite? |
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Gotta love the guy's review of his Mac26X...
The balance is excellent, and it sails well with only a light touch on the wheel. We used only the jib this past summer, but we will also try the genoa next summer. |
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Ugliest piece of crap boat imaginable...even Neal's puke yellow =
Crapanado is a better boat than that.... Not when he never sails it. RB |
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I am the Queen of Sarcasm.
Your husband is the Queen of Sarcasm. RB |
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Of course, I'd
modify it. Sure, a little glass work and you'd have a Hinkley. RB |
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Calling it a "boat" would be a stretch, except maybe to George Bush.
It's a sailboat in the same way as the war's over. RB |
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When I think of a motor sailer, I think of a boat that usually has a
closer resemblance to a powerboat than a yacht, How many motorsailors can plane? The Mac26X may be awful and Scotty-like, but it's unique. RB |
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It's my understanding that the M26 sails OK in light air. It's a very light
boat. They don't point high, though. But after all, it's a Powersailor, not a motorsailor. SV Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:52:50 -0500, "John Cairns" wrote: I think we're on opposite tacks. When we say "motorsailer", we think of a vessel that will sail reasonably well, and motor reasonably well. An experienced sailor told me that the "old" Mac26X sailed very badly indeed, if the wind was under 8kts. you couldn't get the boat to move. I remember myself last season trying out my new a-sail in very light winds, 4kts. IIRC, sailing by a Mac26x that didn't appear to be moving at all, sails up. It didn't occur to me at the time, I figured he was just a novice and couldn't get the boat to move. He probably wouldn't have been able to get the boat to move under sail in those gentle breezes in any event. It appears that MacGregor has made some modifications to improve the sailing efficiency of the boat, but I would consider it more of a powerboat with a mast than a "motorsailer", indeed, even MacGregor doesn't call it a "motorsailer" John Cairns Who's this "we"? When I think of a motor sailer, I think of a boat that usually has a closer resemblance to a powerboat than a yacht, motors very well, and sails off the wind quite well to conserve fuel. Few if any sail upwind with anything like grace and require at least 8kts to accomplish anything remotely like sailing. Mac call it a power sailer probably because it has a higher power:weight ratio than the usual overladen motor sailer. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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It's my understanding that the M26 sails OK in light air. It's a very light
boat. They don't point high, though. It sails "okay" in light air, but it doesn't point? Oh, okay. Idiot! Or should I say Sieldeman owner! RB |
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I do have a brochure for the X
from 1996(?). Framed I bet. RB |
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better?
Right, so then we all agree that Ozzy is full of REGULAR ****. I'm actually very regular, thanks. Oz1...of the 3 twins. |
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I'm not the one posting URLs to it. Am I? I do have a brochure for the X
from 1996(?). Scotty Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:18:12 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: I like all the modifications they do. Do you think Booby had this in mind for Suzannes boat? http://macgregor26x.com/cgi-bin/MAC2...iew&record=127 Cheers MC You're really taking a close look Scootz, thinking of upgrading? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Don't worry. They usual mmac26X owner has absolutely no idea what
sailing well means. You should read their lovely TR's to get an idea what you are dealing with. Myself, I'm looking to see how I can fit a second TV to keep up with them! Cheers MC Donals Dilemma wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:55:09 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote: It's my understanding that the M26 sails OK in light air. It's a very light boat. They don't point high, though. But after all, it's a Powersailor, not a motorsailor. SV Sails OK but doesn't point? Help me here Scootz! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:52:50 -0500, "John Cairns" wrote: I think we're on opposite tacks. When we say "motorsailer", we think of a vessel that will sail reasonably well, and motor reasonably well. An experienced sailor told me that the "old" Mac26X sailed very badly indeed, if the wind was under 8kts. you couldn't get the boat to move. I remember myself last season trying out my new a-sail in very light winds, 4kts. IIRC, sailing by a Mac26x that didn't appear to be moving at all, sails up. It didn't occur to me at the time, I figured he was just a novice and couldn't get the boat to move. He probably wouldn't have been able to get the boat to move under sail in those gentle breezes in any event. It appears that MacGregor has made some modifications to improve the sailing efficiency of the boat, but I would consider it more of a powerboat with a mast than a "motorsailer", indeed, even MacGregor doesn't call it a "motorsailer" John Cairns Who's this "we"? When I think of a motor sailer, I think of a boat that usually has a closer resemblance to a powerboat than a yacht, motors very well, and sails off the wind quite well to conserve fuel. Few if any sail upwind with anything like grace and require at least 8kts to accomplish anything remotely like sailing. Mac call it a power sailer probably because it has a higher power:weight ratio than the usual overladen motor sailer. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Bad habit of mine, should have said "I". This is my idea of a motorsailer, in fact the only one I've ever seen up close looked something like this- http://www.caborico.com/ne/index.html Now I personally don't know how well this boat sails, but I have heard expert testimony on the subject of how the Mac sails and I'm inclined to believe it, the gist of it was that the mac had a very narrow sailing range of between 8-10 kts., and to quote the fellow "it sailed terribly". John Cairns |
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