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Ozzy's Oz Moh sis November 26th 03 11:28 PM

It's the end of the world
 

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
I thought the juxtaposition was funny, read the very kind Mac review, turn
the page, read the Malo review. It seems the Malo story was copied

verbatim
from the print edition minus the photography.


I always get the impression that these "reviews" are written with
advertising revenues in mind. I've never seen a review that said "This is a
crap boat, with no redeeming features whatsoever." Yet, such boats exist.

The Mac26X could be kindly described as "The perfect boat for the poverty
stricken person who would like to go sailing, but who knows nothing at all
about sailing."


Equally, the Coronado 27 should be described as "The perfect boat for the
poverty stricken person who would like to go sailing."

I've almost given up reading sailing mags.


Regards


Donal
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Simple Simon November 26th 03 11:54 PM

It's the end of the world
 
If, like me, you've read sailing magazines for more than five
years you've come to the conclusion there is nothing new under
the sun.

I have a file about four inches thick into which I put articles,
reference data, specs, how-to's etc from sailing magazines I
used to subscribe to. I quit putting stuff into the file when it
started to repeat. This occurred after only three or four years
time.

I pick up a sailing magazine at the newsstands from time to time
and see only the same old crap but with more ads for very large
yachts in which no normal or sane sailor would be interested
even if they could afford them. Sailing magazines have been
taken over by female editors and are populated by has-been
and wannabe writers and columnists who serve mostly to
fill the magazine with crap that complements various advertisers.

S.Simon

"Ozzy's Oz Moh sis" wrote in message ...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
I thought the juxtaposition was funny, read the very kind Mac review, turn
the page, read the Malo review. It seems the Malo story was copied

verbatim
from the print edition minus the photography.


I always get the impression that these "reviews" are written with
advertising revenues in mind. I've never seen a review that said "This is a
crap boat, with no redeeming features whatsoever." Yet, such boats exist.

The Mac26X could be kindly described as "The perfect boat for the poverty
stricken person who would like to go sailing, but who knows nothing at all
about sailing."


Equally, the Coronado 27 should be described as "The perfect boat for the
poverty stricken person who would like to go sailing."

I've almost given up reading sailing mags.


Regards


Donal
--






Donal November 27th 03 12:22 AM

It's the end of the world
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If, like me, you've read sailing magazines for more than five
years you've come to the conclusion there is nothing new under
the sun.


True.


I have a file about four inches thick into which I put articles,
reference data, specs, how-to's etc from sailing magazines I
used to subscribe to. I quit putting stuff into the file when it
started to repeat. This occurred after only three or four years
time.


Exactly the same here!


Regards


Donal
--




Scott Vernon November 27th 03 12:36 AM

It's the end of the world
 
do you not know the meaning of ''OK''? Is ''OK'' an American phrase that
you ausys can't comprehend?

SV

Donals Dilemma wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:55:09 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

It's my understanding that the M26 sails OK in light air. It's a very

light
boat. They don't point high, though. But after all, it's a Powersailor,

not
a motorsailor.

SV


Sails OK but doesn't point?

Help me here Scootz!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




katysails November 27th 03 12:58 AM

It's the end of the world
 

Never tasted it myself.

Cheers MC

Not brave enough?
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


The_navigator© November 27th 03 01:18 AM

It's the end of the world
 
Never offered.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

Never tasted it myself.

Cheers MC

Not brave enough?



John Cairns November 27th 03 02:16 AM

It's the end of the world
 
I've had occasion to speak with someone who, among other things, reviews new
boats for a US based magazine. We discussed this issue, he mentioned that
you can generally tell when he is not enamored of a particular boat. He also
mentioned a test sail of a model produced by a major US manufacturer, there
were some serious technical issues with this boat, the magazine didn't run
the review. The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat. Hell, it doesn't make any difference to me, I have
no plans on buying a new boat, and there are enough resources out there to
get a fairly decent evaluation of just about any used boat out there should
I decide to change boats.
John Cairns
"Ozzy's Oz Moh sis" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
I thought the juxtaposition was funny, read the very kind Mac review,

turn
the page, read the Malo review. It seems the Malo story was copied

verbatim
from the print edition minus the photography.


I always get the impression that these "reviews" are written with
advertising revenues in mind. I've never seen a review that said "This is

a
crap boat, with no redeeming features whatsoever." Yet, such boats exist.

The Mac26X could be kindly described as "The perfect boat for the poverty
stricken person who would like to go sailing, but who knows nothing at

all
about sailing."


Equally, the Coronado 27 should be described as "The perfect boat for the
poverty stricken person who would like to go sailing."

I've almost given up reading sailing mags.


Regards


Donal
--






SkitchNYC November 27th 03 02:16 AM

It's the end of the world
 
The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat.


Who does?

Who here has seen a Mac26X motoring along? Plenty

Who has seen one sailing? None

Bobsprit November 27th 03 02:27 AM

It's the end of the world
 
Who has seen one sailing? None

There are two in my area and they sail often. I even met the owner of one who
traded it in for a Pearson. They just don't sail well.

RB

Scott Vernon November 27th 03 04:23 AM

It's the end of the world
 
I've seen 5 or 6 sailing.


"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat.


Who does?

Who here has seen a Mac26X motoring along? Plenty

Who has seen one sailing? None



John Cairns November 27th 03 04:27 AM

It's the end of the world
 
We have at least 5 in my marina, ironic considering you only have to motor
about 500' or so before you can put up the sails. I have seen them putzing
about under sail, have even seen one under full power heading directly
upwind, quite a sight.I even have photographic evidence that they do sail.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...43355546oSuBZF
And I have only seen one in the "full power" mode.
John Cairns
"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat.


Who does?

Who here has seen a Mac26X motoring along? Plenty

Who has seen one sailing? None




Scott Vernon November 27th 03 04:33 AM

It's the end of the world
 
as much as some people hate them, others love em. Go figure.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
We have at least 5 in my marina, ironic considering you only have to motor
about 500' or so before you can put up the sails. I have seen them putzing
about under sail, have even seen one under full power heading directly
upwind, quite a sight.I even have photographic evidence that they do sail.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...43355546oSuBZF
And I have only seen one in the "full power" mode.
John Cairns
"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat.


Who does?

Who here has seen a Mac26X motoring along? Plenty

Who has seen one sailing? None





John Cairns November 27th 03 04:41 AM

It's the end of the world
 
Someone posted a link to an owner's Mac page, he loved his boat and thought
it sailed pretty well, but then he made the statement that "he hadn't sailed
any other boats" so he nothing to compare it to. I don't hate Macs, I do
feel a little sorry for the folks that spend 25k for something like this
mainly because they don't feel confident enough to buy a used boat for their
first sailboat.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
as much as some people hate them, others love em. Go figure.

Scotty

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
We have at least 5 in my marina, ironic considering you only have to

motor
about 500' or so before you can put up the sails. I have seen them

putzing
about under sail, have even seen one under full power heading directly
upwind, quite a sight.I even have photographic evidence that they do

sail.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...43355546oSuBZF
And I have only seen one in the "full power" mode.
John Cairns
"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
The only review of the Mac26X that appeared in a magazine that
could be characterized as unbiased was the one that ran in "Practical
Sailor", you have to wonder what they were trying to say, they didn't
actually sail the boat.

Who does?

Who here has seen a Mac26X motoring along? Plenty

Who has seen one sailing? None







Bobsprit November 27th 03 12:16 PM

It's the end of the world
 
as much as some people hate them, others love em.

Are we talking Max26x or Siedleman's?


RB

katysails November 27th 03 12:47 PM

It's the end of the world
 
Never offered.

Cheers MC

Maybe there's a reason?

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


katysails November 27th 03 12:54 PM

It's the end of the world
 

Who has seen one sailing?

I have. It was pretty pathetic. We couldn't figure out what was wrong. =
We came into Muskegon Lake from the channel on main and half jib, and =
let out the furler as we passed the marker buoy...the Mac 26X was up =
ahead of us with everything out, which is not considerable...dinky =
sails...and was making way at about 2 knots to our 5...and the wind was =
blowing about 10-12...at first we thought maybe they were on a bad point =
of sail but when we paralleled them we kept our speed and zoomed on =
past...the hull configuration is just all wrong to sail...either that or =
they need to stick on a stouter, taller mast, a longer boom and get some =
sails that will make all that weight move. Ugly things...would rather =
have an old fixer upper with a leak than a new Mac26X
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


katysails November 27th 03 12:55 PM

It's the end of the world
 
One is used to power upwind in the mornings when breeze is lightish
and sails home of an afternoon reaching and running at a very
respectable pace.
I believe the owner is using the boat as it was intended.

So what you're saying is that they're little more than a river barge.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Bobsprit November 27th 03 01:10 PM

It's the end of the world
 
Ugly things...would rather =
have an old fixer upper with a leak than a new Mac26X


Another words...the boat you have now!

RB

Scott Vernon November 27th 03 03:15 PM

It's the end of the world
 
Congratulations Katy , on passing a Mac26X.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...

Who has seen one sailing?

I have. It was pretty pathetic. We couldn't figure out what was wrong. We
came into Muskegon Lake from the channel on main and half jib, and let out
the furler as we passed the marker buoy...the Mac 26X was up ahead of us
with everything out, which is not considerable...dinky sails...and was
making way at about 2 knots to our 5...and the wind was blowing about
10-12...at first we thought maybe they were on a bad point of sail but when
we paralleled them we kept our speed and zoomed on past...the hull
configuration is just all wrong to sail...either that or they need to stick
on a stouter, taller mast, a longer boom and get some sails that will make
all that weight move. Ugly things...would rather have an old fixer upper
with a leak than a new Mac26X
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



The_navigator© November 27th 03 08:14 PM

It's the end of the world
 
There's always a reason. It's the nature of things.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

Never offered.

Cheers MC

Maybe there's a reason?



katysails November 27th 03 09:06 PM

It's the end of the world
 

Congratulations Katy , on passing a Mac26X.

Scotty

I swim fater than a Mac 26X....
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


katysails November 27th 03 09:07 PM

It's the end of the world
 

There's always a reason. It's the nature of things.

Cheers MC

That's rather a complacent attitude, isn't it?
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Donal November 27th 03 10:36 PM

It's the end of the world
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...

Congratulations Katy , on passing a Mac26X.

Scotty

I swim fater than a Mac 26X....


Good luck with the diet!



Regards


Donal
--




Simple Simon November 27th 03 10:53 PM

It's the end of the world
 

"katysails" wrote in message ...

I swim fater than a Mac 26X....


Most whales do . . .

S.Simon



The_navigator© November 27th 03 11:37 PM

It's the end of the world
 
No it isn't.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

There's always a reason. It's the nature of things.

Cheers MC

That's rather a complacent attitude, isn't it?



Peter Wiley November 27th 03 11:52 PM

It's the end of the world
 
In article , Donal
wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If, like me, you've read sailing magazines for more than five
years you've come to the conclusion there is nothing new under
the sun.


True.


I have a file about four inches thick into which I put articles,
reference data, specs, how-to's etc from sailing magazines I
used to subscribe to. I quit putting stuff into the file when it
started to repeat. This occurred after only three or four years
time.


Exactly the same here!


Same with all magazines I think. I used to get 'Mother Earth News' in
the 70's & 80's. Stopped when they had nothing new to offer. Ditto
'Home Shop Machinist'. They eventually need to start running articles
for the newbies and the old subscribers lose interest. That set of
people have probably bought all the 'must have' gear and become a lot
more sophisticated about the luxury stuff so they're no loss to
advertisers anyway. Newbies will spend more money.

I finally found sufficient justification for buying a framing nailgun
tho. Not sure what boat stuff it'll come in handy for, but it makes
building the shed frames a lot simpler.

PDW

katysails November 28th 03 03:10 AM

It's the end of the world
 
No it isn't.

Cheers MC

Think not, huh? We'll see.....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Schoonertrash November 28th 03 06:17 AM

It's the end of the world
 
It's always the end of the world (as we know it). That's what happens in an
evolutionary system.




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