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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
I always thought modern submarines were made out
of titanium and aluminum.


So are the 120 foot crewboats I ran. I wonder what thoses big steel
balls next to the compass were for? And that funny chart with all the
heading numbers.

Those big titanium hulls are full of what? Besides people. Do you
think all that stuff might cause deviation?

Joe
MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel.


S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Hey Simple,

As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses
to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the
US Navy Ships?

Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going
(Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic
brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all
steel with accurate compasses.

Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and
accurateSMILE

"WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!"

Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all
the things we have to be Thankful For.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Ole Thom

P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time

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Nah, only a few research subs now.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

I always thought modern submarines were made out
of titanium and aluminum.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...

Hey Simple,

As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses
to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the
US Navy Ships?

Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going
(Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic
brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all
steel with accurate compasses.

Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and
accurateSMILE

"WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!"

Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all
the things we have to be Thankful For.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Ole Thom

P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time

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You fail to include the severity of conditions in any case.

Joe wrote:
Lets say 40-70 knots steady, seas running 12- 18 ft with an occasional
20 footer.

I sail full sails in steady 20-30 without much worry, but once I get
into a steady 30+ I need to reef , 50-60 in big seas will put me in a
storm mode.

Joe, I don't think there is a single 'right answer.' The right answer(s) are whatever works best in the
particular situation.

Remember, the force of the wind is proportional to the square of it's velocity. In simple words this
means that if the wind doubles (say from 20 to 40) then it's force is quadrupled. So, IMHO using
regular sails reefed down for storm winds will result in premature stretching & shredding of those
sails. A storm jib & storm mizzen would be a good combination offering a way to balance the boat.

You might consider a pair of staysails, one for the main and one for the mizzen. No extra track on the
masts, easy to bend on, can be made to stand well above the deck to keep them out of the water, several
advantages. You can fly both and get more horsepower & ability to balance, or fly one on the main for
running off in really bad stuff, or fly one from the mizzen for close reaching.

The biggest problem I have seen in trying to handle boats in storm winds, is that the force of windage
increases greatly and makes the boat want to only go downwind. As the boat rises across the crests, the
wind hits extra hard and accelerates the boat downwind at the worst possible time relative to the
waves. The sails have to generate enough horsepower to counteract this, without overtaxing the boat's
rightning moment.

At some point, the boat simply cannot do anything except go downwind, and this is when bare poles +
drogue makes the most sense. However, trying to work on deck in these conditions is like trying to swim
upstream against Niagara Falls. That's why planning ahead is a big big part of seamanship.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Sounds painful!


Joe
MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel.

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
P/S That's the first time I've told that story in 16 years and I'm not
telling it again!


You don't need to tell it again.


Most of the people who read it would not dare question your actions. We are
grateful that you shared your experience with us.


Thank you, OT. I've learned some things from your post.



Regards


Donal
--

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The Russians made a few titanium hulled military subs as they are the worlds
largest supplier of titanium. Titanium is very expensive and incredibly
difficult to work with. US subs use special steel alloys (Congress would have a
collective heart attack at the cost of a titanium hull), titanium is reserved
for deep diving research vessels - though the DSRV might be titanium- I'd have
to check..

JJ

On 27 Nov 2003 08:31:50 -0800, (Joe) wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
I always thought modern submarines were made out
of titanium and aluminum.


So are the 120 foot crewboats I ran. I wonder what thoses big steel
balls next to the compass were for? And that funny chart with all the
heading numbers.

Those big titanium hulls are full of what? Besides people. Do you
think all that stuff might cause deviation?

Joe
MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel.


S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Hey Simple,

As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses
to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the
US Navy Ships?

Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going
(Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic
brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all
steel with accurate compasses.

Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and
accurateSMILE

"WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!"

Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all
the things we have to be Thankful For.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Ole Thom

P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time


James Johnson
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The Russians didn't even want to use titanium in their airplanes - Mikoyan
complained that they limited its use in his designs.



"James Johnson" wrote in message
...
The Russians made a few titanium hulled military subs as they are the worlds
largest supplier of titanium. Titanium is very expensive and incredibly
difficult to work with. US subs use special steel alloys (Congress would have
a
collective heart attack at the cost of a titanium hull), titanium is reserved
for deep diving research vessels - though the DSRV might be titanium- I'd have
to check..

JJ

On 27 Nov 2003 08:31:50 -0800, (Joe) wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I always thought modern submarines were made out
of titanium and aluminum.


So are the 120 foot crewboats I ran. I wonder what thoses big steel
balls next to the compass were for? And that funny chart with all the
heading numbers.

Those big titanium hulls are full of what? Besides people. Do you
think all that stuff might cause deviation?

Joe
MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel.


S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Simple,

As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses
to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the
US Navy Ships?

Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going
(Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic
brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all
steel with accurate compasses.

Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and
accurateSMILE

"WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!"

Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all
the things we have to be Thankful For.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Ole Thom

P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time


James Johnson
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