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Think hygene.... or in your case, genes.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... Thom gets laid more, too. BB I won't argue that one. I can't figure it out but most women don't seem to be sexually attracted to me. I guess that's why God made prostitutes. S.Simon |
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Ive been washed overboard in big seas before and nothing was on my
terms. You chose to be out there. You took the risks. Should you die while sailing, or even by some dumb accident, it's on your terms. Your decision. Better than cancer or being run down by a street sweeper, or stabbed or slowly rubbed out by two many happy meals. RB |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Lightning is only a hazard on those crummy, rust bucket, steel boats. They draw it like a lightning rod. Lightning doesn't even see a GRP boat. S.Simon Neil, Ive been hit by lighting twice. Been on the boat both times. Passes thru the hull to ground and damages nothing. The P 40 next to me got hit a couple of months ago and it fried every peice of electronic aboard. You see lighting has no where to go on a plastic boat but to the wires and eletronics. Ever here of the bird cage effect? Look it up. Get a clue. Joe Msv RedCloud - Naturally protected from lighting. "Joe" wrote in message om... Granted drowning might be the most peaceful way to go, but having your head explode when hit by lighting might smart a bit. Joe |
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Steel attracts lightning and that's a fact. Ever hear
of a wooden lightning rod? Your steel hull will not protect electronics from a direct lightning hit. It is not a good faraday cage. It is better to have a GRP boat - mine has never been struck by lightning and I've lived in the lightning capitol of the world for fifteen years. Steel boats can hardly claim to even last fifteen years let alone not being struck by lightning for a similar length of time. I was reading the other night about hand-bearing compasses and was surprised to learn they don't work on a steel boat. It makes me wonder how accurate the ship's compass will be on a steel boat. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Lightning is only a hazard on those crummy, rust bucket, steel boats. They draw it like a lightning rod. Lightning doesn't even see a GRP boat. S.Simon Neil, Ive been hit by lighting twice. Been on the boat both times. Passes thru the hull to ground and damages nothing. The P 40 next to me got hit a couple of months ago and it fried every peice of electronic aboard. You see lighting has no where to go on a plastic boat but to the wires and eletronics. Ever here of the bird cage effect? Look it up. Get a clue. Joe Msv RedCloud - Naturally protected from lighting. "Joe" wrote in message om... Granted drowning might be the most peaceful way to go, but having your head explode when hit by lighting might smart a bit. Joe |
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On 26 Nov 2003 15:00:06 -0600, anonymous wrote:
They were made out of brass and lignting shot out of his A.... ? or was that the young man from madrass? Worked perfectly well on the USN's ships for years before anybody ever heard of a gyrocompass. Ever heard of the navigator's balls? |
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OY!
Cheers MC anonymous wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:15:26 -0500, "Simple Simon" said: I was reading the other night about hand-bearing compasses and was surprised to learn they don't work on a steel boat. It makes me wonder how accurate the ship's compass will be on a steel boat. Worked perfectly well on the USN's ships for years before anybody ever heard of a gyrocompass. Ever heard of the navigator's balls? |
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Hey Simple,
As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time |
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But, Thom, old chap, compasses on those big metal ships
are purpose built. They have little in common with the little, off the shelf, yacht compasses we have on our boats. I was not asking about custom built and balanced units, was I? Furthermore, hand-bearing compasses of the off- the-shelf variety are grossly inaccurate on the deck of a steel ship. One must get at least eight to ten feet away from steel structures in order to obtain reasonable accuracy. That's a fact. Yep, too bad we don't live close enough to share a meal onboard once in a while. I've got a feeling I could teach you a lot about the way things work. ;-) S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple, As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time |
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I always thought modern submarines were made out
of titanium and aluminum. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple, As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Steel attracts lightning and that's a fact. Ever hear of a wooden lightning rod? Your steel hull will not protect electronics from a direct lightning hit. Hey Neil, It allready has twice! It is not a good faraday cage. It's a perfect one numbnuts! It is better to have a GRP boat - mine has never been struck by lightning and I've lived in the lightning capitol of the world for fifteen years. Thats because most trees and other boats in the area are taller that your mast. Steel boats can hardly claim to even last fifteen years let alone not being struck by lightning for a similar length of time. I was reading the other night about hand-bearing compasses and was surprised to learn they don't work on a steel boat. Your dumber than dirt. It makes me wonder how accurate the ship's compass will be on a steel boat. Most captains have heard of TVMDC. and can correct for such mystic magic. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Lightning is only a hazard on those crummy, rust bucket, steel boats. They draw it like a lightning rod. Lightning doesn't even see a GRP boat. S.Simon Neil, Ive been hit by lighting twice. Been on the boat both times. Passes thru the hull to ground and damages nothing. The P 40 next to me got hit a couple of months ago and it fried every peice of electronic aboard. You see lighting has no where to go on a plastic boat but to the wires and eletronics. Ever here of the bird cage effect? Look it up. Get a clue. Joe Msv RedCloud - Naturally protected from lighting. "Joe" wrote in message om... Granted drowning might be the most peaceful way to go, but having your head explode when hit by lighting might smart a bit. Joe |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
I always thought modern submarines were made out of titanium and aluminum. So are the 120 foot crewboats I ran. I wonder what thoses big steel balls next to the compass were for? And that funny chart with all the heading numbers. Those big titanium hulls are full of what? Besides people. Do you think all that stuff might cause deviation? Joe MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple, As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time |
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Nah, only a few research subs now.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: I always thought modern submarines were made out of titanium and aluminum. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple, As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time |
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You fail to include the severity of conditions in any case.
Joe wrote: Lets say 40-70 knots steady, seas running 12- 18 ft with an occasional 20 footer. I sail full sails in steady 20-30 without much worry, but once I get into a steady 30+ I need to reef , 50-60 in big seas will put me in a storm mode. Joe, I don't think there is a single 'right answer.' The right answer(s) are whatever works best in the particular situation. Remember, the force of the wind is proportional to the square of it's velocity. In simple words this means that if the wind doubles (say from 20 to 40) then it's force is quadrupled. So, IMHO using regular sails reefed down for storm winds will result in premature stretching & shredding of those sails. A storm jib & storm mizzen would be a good combination offering a way to balance the boat. You might consider a pair of staysails, one for the main and one for the mizzen. No extra track on the masts, easy to bend on, can be made to stand well above the deck to keep them out of the water, several advantages. You can fly both and get more horsepower & ability to balance, or fly one on the main for running off in really bad stuff, or fly one from the mizzen for close reaching. The biggest problem I have seen in trying to handle boats in storm winds, is that the force of windage increases greatly and makes the boat want to only go downwind. As the boat rises across the crests, the wind hits extra hard and accelerates the boat downwind at the worst possible time relative to the waves. The sails have to generate enough horsepower to counteract this, without overtaxing the boat's rightning moment. At some point, the boat simply cannot do anything except go downwind, and this is when bare poles + drogue makes the most sense. However, trying to work on deck in these conditions is like trying to swim upstream against Niagara Falls. That's why planning ahead is a big big part of seamanship. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Sounds painful!
Joe MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel. |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... P/S That's the first time I've told that story in 16 years and I'm not telling it again! You don't need to tell it again. Most of the people who read it would not dare question your actions. We are grateful that you shared your experience with us. Thank you, OT. I've learned some things from your post. Regards Donal -- |
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The Russians didn't even want to use titanium in their airplanes - Mikoyan
complained that they limited its use in his designs. "James Johnson" wrote in message ... The Russians made a few titanium hulled military subs as they are the worlds largest supplier of titanium. Titanium is very expensive and incredibly difficult to work with. US subs use special steel alloys (Congress would have a collective heart attack at the cost of a titanium hull), titanium is reserved for deep diving research vessels - though the DSRV might be titanium- I'd have to check.. JJ On 27 Nov 2003 08:31:50 -0800, (Joe) wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I always thought modern submarines were made out of titanium and aluminum. So are the 120 foot crewboats I ran. I wonder what thoses big steel balls next to the compass were for? And that funny chart with all the heading numbers. Those big titanium hulls are full of what? Besides people. Do you think all that stuff might cause deviation? Joe MSV RedCloud ......With a set of 6" balls of steel. S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Simple, As Coast Guard Licensed Capt and you wonder how accurate the compasses to compasses are on the Coast Guard Cutter, Ice breakers? How about the US Navy Ships? Your Mind isn't keeping up with your exercising and fasting body Going (Sea-nile) doesn't make you a better sailorG Get rid of that myopic brain set and realize Ocean Lines, Steel Tugs. Submarines, etc are all steel with accurate compasses. Wonder no longer Simple. They are all safely been Boxed and accurateSMILE "WE CAN DRINK TO THAT!" Wish you lived closer so we could brake bread together and discuss all the things we have to be Thankful For. HAPPY THANKSGIVING Ole Thom P/S I make a pretty good pie, thanks to US Navy Mess Cooking time James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
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