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Wake Up, Donal!
Beneteau just lost a class action suit against the guy in my yard. They will take the 39 back and refund him the full cost of the boat, including the repairs! Amazing! He sent an account of the story to Cruising World and BoatUS, so maybe it'll get printed! The entire suit was based on gel coat cracking and blistering in the 2nd year!!! Beneteau? Bwahahahahahahaha! RB |
Wake Up, Donal!
This insane jealousy cannot be good for you!
Look at that! I woke him up! Hoooh ahhh! RB |
Wake Up, Donal!
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Beneteau just lost a class action suit against the guy in my yard. They will take the 39 back and refund him the full cost of the boat, including the repairs! Amazing! He sent an account of the story to Cruising World and BoatUS, so maybe it'll get printed! The entire suit was based on gel coat cracking and blistering in the 2nd year!!! Beneteau? Bob, you should keep from crowing too loudly until you have a better boat than me. This insane jealousy cannot be good for you! If you didn't compare your boat to mine, you might be satisfied with Alien (despite her obvious imperfections). Regards Donal -- |
Wake Up, Donal!
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... This insane jealousy cannot be good for you! Look at that! I woke him up! What did you wake me up for? I hope it's important. Donal -- |
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How does replacing one boat qualify as a "class action suit"? I'm also
wondering whether there was a judgement by the courts, or a settlement. From what I've been told at the yard, blister problems have been huge for Beneteau. So much so that a recent ad mentions them directly for glass related issue. Beneteau is facing quite a bit of legal fire. I have no idea of how many boats were involved. True, Subaru has the occasional lemon, but Beneteau has been plagued for years. 8 years ago I was warned away from Beneteau by yards and surveyors. 8 years later the problems persist. Any blisters or gel problems on your C&C? Mine is even older and the glass looks good. My Pearson was from 1976 and that glass looked good. Beneteau needs to built better boats and not worry about huge ad campaigns. RB |
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Look at that! I woke him up!
What did you wake me up for? You have a crappy boat! See? I saved you life! RB |
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According to "Jim" of the CandC list, most all of
the 29's had voids in the lay-up. -- ---- Steve S/V Pony Express "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... : Any blisters or gel problems on your C&C? Mine is even older and the glass : looks good. My Pearson was from 1976 and that glass looked good. Beneteau needs : to built better boats and not worry about huge ad campaigns. : : RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
... See? I saved you life! "you my friend. I kill you for free." |
Wake Up, Donal!
According to "Jim" of the CandC list, most all of
the 29's had voids in the lay-up. According to the guy with the Beneteau, the whole boat is a void and Beneteau approached him as though the warranty was also void! Some company. RB |
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I have seen
boats of almost every brand with some sort of hull problems, whether minor or major. Mostly minor for most. But Beneteau's issues are just insane for such a big builder. While they make no pretense about being low-end, they sure don't match Catalina or even Hunter for quality. And that's a shame. RB |
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Why is it a shame? They seem to have a market for their boats.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I have seen boats of almost every brand with some sort of hull problems, whether minor or major. Mostly minor for most. But Beneteau's issues are just insane for such a big builder. While they make no pretense about being low-end, they sure don't match Catalina or even Hunter for quality. And that's a shame. RB |
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Why is it a shame? They seem to have a market for their boats.
Good point. The same can be said for Macgregor and Hunter. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Look at that! I woke him up! What did you wake me up for? You have a crappy boat! See? I saved you life! You woke me up for THAT?? In case you suffer from some short, medium amd long term memory problems - I'd like to point out that you have made the same statement at least once a week for the last three years. Geeze..... I'm going back to sleep again! Don't wake me up again until you have something interesting to say! Regards Donal -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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It's pretty hard for your wife's boat to get blisters,
Booby, spending the majority of its life in the yard up on jack stands. S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How does replacing one boat qualify as a "class action suit"? I'm also wondering whether there was a judgement by the courts, or a settlement. From what I've been told at the yard, blister problems have been huge for Beneteau. So much so that a recent ad mentions them directly for glass related issue. Beneteau is facing quite a bit of legal fire. I have no idea of how many boats were involved. True, Subaru has the occasional lemon, but Beneteau has been plagued for years. 8 years ago I was warned away from Beneteau by yards and surveyors. 8 years later the problems persist. Any blisters or gel problems on your C&C? Mine is even older and the glass looks good. My Pearson was from 1976 and that glass looked good. Beneteau needs to built better boats and not worry about huge ad campaigns. RB |
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Yet another case that illustrates the benefits
of air on hulls not blistering . . . BB's boat is in the yard more than in the water. Typical wannabe northerner who huddles, shivering ashore the majority of the year and sails two or three weeks in the summer when it warms up a bit. S.Simon wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:03:45 GMT, "Pony Express" wrote: According to "Jim" of the CandC list, most all of the 29's had voids in the lay-up. My C&C 27-5 has had no blisters, crazing or delamination issues. Just the same, one of the first things I did when I bought it was strip the hull, and add several coats of Interlux barrier paint. I have seen boats of almost every brand with some sort of hull problems, whether minor or major. BB |
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If a situation arose where Donal's boat and your
boat were to be given away for free because their owners blew away in the wind being the fluff they are, I would chose the Donal's Beneteau over your C&C dated garbage. S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Beneteau just lost a class action suit against the guy in my yard. They will take the 39 back and refund him the full cost of the boat, including the repairs! Amazing! He sent an account of the story to Cruising World and BoatUS, so maybe it'll get printed! The entire suit was based on gel coat cracking and blistering in the 2nd year!!! Beneteau? Bwahahahahahahaha! RB |
Wake Up, Donal!
Typical wannabe northerner who huddles, shivering
ashore the majority of the year and sails two or three weeks in the summer when it warms up a bit. JUst the opposite. Because our boats only sail half the year we end up sailing three times more than you. Actually, that's not accurate as we have pretty solid clues that you only sailed your boat twice all summer! RB |
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Donal's boat and your
boat were to be given away for free because their owners blew away in the wind being the fluff they are, I would chose the Donal's Beneteau over your C&C dated garbage. Well, there you have it, Donal! Clearly I have the better boat. RB |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... If a situation arose where Donal's boat and your boat were to be given away for free because their owners blew away in the wind being the fluff they are, I would chose the Donal's Beneteau over your C&C dated garbage. Quite right. You know true quality when you see it! Regards Donal -- |
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Quite right. You know true quality when you see it!
Now ask him if the Beneteau is as good as his Coronado and my work will be done on this topic! RB |
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Dated garbage? What year is your Crapanado?
In neal's case, that would be carbon dated garbage. RB |
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My vessel is only out of the water rarely. Perhaps two days every
three or four years for bottom paint. It is moored and sailed in subtropical waters and has yet to get any blisters. That is the test of a good hull lay-up. The Coronado 27 is so superior in so many ways. It is as close to perfection as any production boat ever built. No wonder Bobsprit is so jealous. S.Simon Capetanios Oz wrote in message ... osmotic blisters The real test of a boat is to own it in warmer climes where it spends its entire life in the water and is sailed 12 months of the year. Letting it dry for 6 months/annum masks many problems. |
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It is as close to perfection as any
production boat ever built. Except that it's ugly, cheap and slow....it's a hell of a boat! RB |
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At least I OWN a boat, sail a boat year round, live
aboard a boat and call the water my home. You don't qualify on a single count . . . S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... It is as close to perfection as any production boat ever built. Except that it's ugly, cheap and slow....it's a hell of a boat! RB |
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At least I OWN a boat, sail a boat year round, live
aboard a boat and call the water my home. You're right to call the water your home. Calling that excuse for a boat a "home" would be plain embarassing! Bwahahahaha! Shaaa-winggggg! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Quite right. You know true quality when you see it! Now ask him if the Beneteau is as good as his Coronado and my work will be done on this topic! I've never felt the need to compare my boat with a real sailor's boat. Think about it for a second ...... I've never compared my boat with Neal's, Scotty's, Loco's, Doug's, Joe's, Jon's, Michael's, Mike's, Taddy's, MC's, Bart's, Katy's, The Carrolls's, Dr. Strangelove's, or even, the pantyhose wearing, Oz's. I've only been able to take the **** out of one person's boat, necause there is only *one* owner here who is ashamed of his *old* POS. Regards Donal -- |
Wake Up, Donal!
Now ask him if the Beneteau is as good as his Coronado and my work will be
done on this topic! I've never felt the need to compare my boat with a real sailor's boat. So you are claiming tha Neal is a real sailor? You HEARD IT HERE FIRST, folks! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Now ask him if the Beneteau is as good as his Coronado and my work will be done on this topic! I've never felt the need to compare my boat with a real sailor's boat. So you are claiming tha Neal is a real sailor? You HEARD IT HERE FIRST, folks! [takes bow!] Well folks! You've just seen Bob at his lamest! [takes another bow - to great applause] Regards Donal -- |
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Beneteau just lost a class action suit against the guy in my yard.
My understanding of a class action suit is that it is a suit lodged by a = number of people with a common problem with one entity. How can one man = lodge a class action suit? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Wot if he's a real Klassy kind of guy?
Cheers MC katysails wrote: Beneteau just lost a class action suit against the guy in my yard. My understanding of a class action suit is that it is a suit lodged by a number of people with a common problem with one entity. How can one man lodge a class action suit? |
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Answer his question Nutsy!!!
Was it a class action case or not? Was it a case in a court with a final ruling? Was it a warranty settlement by the company standing by its word? What was it? Was it another of you fictional BS stories? The public wants to know. Answer the question. You made a statement. Can you back it? Ole Thom |
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The public wants to know. Answer the question. You made a statement. Can
you back it? I believe it was a class action suit as there are other owners involved. However, I only know how his boat problem was resolved. RB |
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I believe it was a class action suit as there are other owners involved.
However, I only know how his boat problem was resolved. In other words, you made the whole thing up. Nope. I'll be posting specifics shortly. RB |
Wake Up, Donal!
The public wants to know. Answer the question. You made a statement. Can
you back it? I believe it was a class action suit as there are other owners involved. However, I only know how his boat problem was resolved. In other words, you made the whole thing up. Doubtful it was a class action suit with that kind of remedy. Class actions usually leave the plaintiffs with little and the lawyers get a bunch. Doesn't sound like one. |
Wake Up, Donal!
In other words, you made the whole thing up.
Doubtful it was a class action suit with that kind of remedy. Class actions usually leave the plaintiffs with little and the lawyers get a bunch. Doesn't sound like one. Beneteau bought the boat back and settled a second suit for damages and losses. RB |
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Nutsy,
What kind of an answer is that? (I believe it was a class action!) The logical assumption is you made a statement without any proof or knowledge! (I only know how his boat was resolved) If you know, then tell us! Was it thru a court action or warranty? Do you have a make, model, and boat name? Do you have a knowledge of what the phyical correction was? Please inform us. As a owner of a fibre glass boat I would like to know? OT |
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Thom Stewart wrote:
Nutsy, What kind of an answer is that? (I believe it was a class action!) The logical assumption is you made a statement without any proof or knowledge! (I only know how his boat was resolved) If you know, then tell us! Was it thru a court action or warranty? Do you have a make, model, and boat name? Do you have a knowledge of what the phyical correction was? Please inform us. As a owner of a fibre glass boat I would like to know? OT Ol Thom: It's just more of the Boobs nonsense, he'll make anything up to try and get Donal's goat, to bad he lacks the intellect to keep up with his own lies. Cheers Marty |
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The
logical assumption is you made a statement without any proof or knowledge! Just what the owner told me, that he'd won back the purchase price as part of a class action suit. He was also going to settle on money spent on repairs and time lost. RB |
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Do you have a make, model, and boat name? Do you have a knowledge of
what the phyical correction was? It was a new Beneteaui 39 (don't recall the model #) with glass problems on deck (major crazing) and blisters (mostly small, but widespread). He also had a host of other issues with interior fittings coming loose. RB |
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It's just more of the Boobs nonsense, he'll make anything up to
try and get Donal's goat, Keep track, marty. Donal's Beneteau is not from the US and it's a 1st series model. I've been told that US boats have more issues, so I'm not really attacking Donal. Try to keep up! RB |
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