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Gilligan November 17th 03 03:07 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
Who cares about the British Navy?

I want to see Mel Gibson make a movie about the oldest commisioned ship in
the US fleet - the USS Constitution!

I want to see British cannonballs bouncing off her sides as she defeats two
equal British ships by sailing backwards!

I want to see the British (and others) tuck tail and run when they see Old
Glory!

I want to see American medium bombers flying off of aircraft carriers (minus
that whining Van Johnson), atomic bombs dropped from B-29's, farmers from
Westchester running off the Black Watch, George Patton and Lewis Puller!!

The only movie that ever portrayed Americans for what they really are is
Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove" - not one wimpy or wishy washy Yank in the
entire film!

Gilligan



two wheels November 17th 03 03:42 AM

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I have it penciled in for Monday Night. Can't wait.

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http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert...master14f.html

"Master and Commander" is grand and glorious, and touching in its
attention to its characters. Like the work of David Lean, it achieves
the epic without losing sight of the human, and to see it is to be
reminded of the way great action movies can rouse and exhilarate us,
can affirm life instead of simply dramatizing its destruction.

(By Roger Ebert)


http://movies2.nytimes.com/2003/11/1...es/14MAST.html

In Mr. Weir's version, every nail, every rope, every teacup and brass
button is in more or less its place, but rather than feeling fussy and
antiquarian, as so many Hollywood costume pageants do, "Master and
Commander" hums with humor, passion and life. It makes you wish
Napoleon were still around, so we — that is, I mean, the British Empire
— could beat him all over again.

(By A. O. SCOTT)


http://www.sptimes.com/2003/11/13/We...al__mate.shtml

Weir is master and commander of a terrific movie, full of wit and a
perspective of wonder enlightening viewers to the 19th century
mind-set. Rarely does any film impact the mind as well as the gut with
as much consistency as this. Keeping one eye on the creative horizon
and a steady hand on the wheel, Weir creates exciting
popcorn-and-caviar entertainment. Two great tastes that aren't allowed
often enough to taste great together in movies today.

(By STEVE PERSALL)


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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:07:09 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote:

Who cares about the British Navy?

I want to see Mel Gibson make a movie about the oldest commisioned
ship in the US fleet - the USS Constitution!

I want to see British cannonballs bouncing off her sides as she
defeats two equal British ships by sailing backwards!

I want to see the British (and others) tuck tail and run when they see
Old Glory!

I want to see American medium bombers flying off of aircraft carriers
(minus that whining Van Johnson), atomic bombs dropped from B-29's,
farmers from Westchester running off the Black Watch, George Patton
and Lewis Puller!!

The only movie that ever portrayed Americans for what they really are
is Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove" - not one wimpy or wishy washy Yank in
the entire film!

Gilligan


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Flying Tadpole November 17th 03 06:13 AM

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Gilligan wrote:

Who cares about the British Navy?

rant

rant

rant

pant

cant

Gilligan


Well, yes, but _I_ want to see the biggest Philip C Bolger design
in action.
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Bobsprit November 17th 03 11:02 AM

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"Master and Commander" is grand and glorious, and touching in its
attention to its characters. Like the work of David Lean, it achieves
the epic without losing sight of the human,

David Lean directed Laurence of Arabia and and the best Dicken's adaptation
ever filmed, Great Expectations. If Master and Commander is anywhere near that
level I'll have to buy a bigger TV!

RB

DSK November 17th 03 11:49 PM

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Gilligan wrote:

I want to see Mel Gibson make a movie about the oldest commisioned ship in
the US fleet - the USS Constitution!


Why Mel Gibson? Plenty of others would make a really good historic drama....
agreed that if the writers/producers who made 'Braveheart' and 'The Patriot'
could stick a bit closer to the facts, they could make a great USS Constitution
movie.



I want to see British cannonballs bouncing off her sides as she defeats two
equal British ships by sailing backwards!


How about unreeving the course & topsail sheets to kedge away from & escape a
British squadron in deep water?



I want to see the British (and others) tuck tail and run when they see Old
Glory!

I want to see American medium bombers flying off of aircraft carriers (minus
that whining Van Johnson), atomic bombs dropped from B-29's, farmers from
Westchester running off the Black Watch, George Patton and Lewis Puller!!


How about the performance of the American militiamen in the all-or-nothing
Battle of Bladensburg (War of 1812)?

Regards-
Doug King


larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 20th 03 10:54 PM

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Mike Savage said it was a movie about limey sailing fags.

I will have to wait a month or so for an escaped studio DVD screener
to be posted to usenet.

Then I will be able to view this $125M flop on my 37" TV with 400 watt
5.1 channel sound in the privacy of my living room.

This way I save money on the theater admission, the gasoline to get to
18 screen megaplex, don't have to endure the unwashed masses at the
megaplex, and the best part is that I am not supporting Bobspirits
occupation.




Bobsprit November 20th 03 11:53 PM

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37" TV with 400 watt
5.1 channel sound in the privacy of my living room.

Really? Do tell us what model of 37 inch TV you have. Is it a plasma? 5.1
channel sound is long gone, must be a very old system.

RB

Bobsprit November 20th 03 11:54 PM

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at the
megaplex, and the best part is that I am not supporting Bobspirits
occupation.

The entertainment industry is one this countries strongest assets. I see you're
no patriot. Enjoy your low quality screener.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 12:03 AM

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Then I will be able to view this $125M flop

With 30 million in US sales alone already, it's unlikely the film will be a
flop.
You really know your stuff.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 12:03 AM

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the gasoline to get to
18 screen megaplex,

I guess you don't have a real theatre anywhere near, huh?

RB

SAIL LOCO November 21st 03 01:02 AM

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5.1 channel sound is long gone, must be a very old system.

Oh, do tell us how much 6.1 or 7.1source material is out there and why he
should unload his 5.1 system. I guess you'll just come back with "gee, fake
6.1 is just the bomb"
Your such a dweib ........ always trying to make somebody else feel small.
Problem is you look like an idiot.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:45 AM

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Oh, do tell us how much 6.1 or 7.1source material is out there and why he
should unload his 5.1 system. I guess you'll just come back with "gee, fake
6.1 is just the bomb"

Loco, all Dolby Digital will play through the rear CENTER channel so long as
you have EX decoding. All of it. Only DTS won't. So that means MOST material
will play 6.1.
I'm not going to attack you over this, I only learned about it when I upgraded
to a current decoder. The rear center is quite nice. I'm using 3 matched B&W
LM-1s with a secondary Paradigm sub.
Here's a pic of Center rear:
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/room2.jpg

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:46 AM

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Your such a dweib ........ always trying to make somebody else feel small.
Problem is you look like an idiot.

No need to get nasty, Loco. You're dead wrong as I stated earlier. ALL DD
tracks will play 6.1 and EX decoding makes it spacially accurate.

RB

larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 21st 03 01:50 AM

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On 21 Nov 2003 01:02:43 GMT,(SAIL LOCO) wrote:

5.1 channel sound is long gone, must be a very old system.

Oh, do tell us how much 6.1 or 7.1source material is out there and why he
should unload his 5.1 system. I guess you'll just come back with "gee, fake
6.1 is just the bomb"
Your such a dweib ........ always trying to make somebody else feel small.
Problem is you look like an idiot.


That is not a hard task LocoTrain. He took the bait three times with
just one troll from myself.

And no Bob the TV is a $300 used CRT purchased from some idiot that
had to have a plasma.

And BTW I only download DVD quality DivX rips http://www.divx.com ,
The heart of my multimedia entertainment (movies, mp3s) is based on a
IBM-PC. I could go into the hardware and software details but that
information would be way over your head.

Plus general public needs to continue purchasing this garbage so I can
get if for free. If that makes me an unpatriotic socialist anarchist
so be it.

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:54 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
I guess you'll just come back with "gee, fake
6.1 is just the bomb"

Why not tell us all what "fake" 6.1 is. I have 7 amps and true 6.1 Outlaw
processing. 6x140 watts via the Rotel. 730 watts outboard of the primary sub,
PS2200.
6.1 EX type decoding is the standard for just about any modern system. 7.1 has
a serious problem, which I'm 100% certain you don't know about.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:56 AM

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And no Bob the TV is a $300 used CRT purchased from some idiot that
had to have a plasma.

Really? I'm just so curious now about anyone who makes a 37 inch CRT. DO
tell!!!

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:57 AM

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And BTW I only download DVD quality DivX rips http://www.divx.com ,
The heart of my multimedia entertainment (movies, mp3s) is based on a
IBM-PC.

Snore. I'm well aware of the web based theft that goes on. With the cost of
DVDs so, so low, why would I want to any time downloading and burning DVDs?
Quit the job at McDonald's and you can get a good system!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 01:58 AM

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Plus general public needs to continue purchasing this garbage so I can
get if for free. If that makes me an unpatriotic socialist anarchist
so be it.

It Be. It also makes you an asshole, but you're mother probably told you that
already.

RB

SAIL LOCO November 21st 03 02:32 AM

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Loco, all Dolby Digital will play through the rear CENTER channel so long as
you have EX decoding. All of it. Only DTS won't. So that means MOST material
will play 6.1.

And it's just a mix channel. If there were descrete 6.1 or 7.1 source
material out there it might mean something.
We've seen your little "theater" room. If you had a 30'x45' room with
effects speakers on the sides your rear center might mean something. Right now
I doubt if you can notice it. So quit knocking the guy for his 5.1.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

SAIL LOCO November 21st 03 02:36 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
Why not tell us all what "fake" 6.1 is.

Give me the title of the last 6.1 movie you bought or rented.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Bobsprit November 21st 03 02:59 AM

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Why not tell us all what "fake" 6.1 is.

Give me the title of the last 6.1 movie you bought or rented.

You're not doing your homework. All 5.1 soundtracks decode to TRUE 6.1 Dolby
EX. The rear center is not matrixed. Look it up. That's why 5.1 decoders are
mostly off the market. Have a look.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 03:16 AM

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Here's a description of the "non-discrete" rear center channel. Matrixed? In a
manner. Processed as discrete channel. Yup.

"The new sound format provides filmmakers with greater flexibility. With
conventional surround technology, the sound field in the back of the theatre
can be perceived as coming from a general area to the left or right of the
auditorium. With Dolby Digital Surround EX, back surround information is
reproduced by the theatre's rear speakers, while left and right surround
information is reproduced by the side speakers. The addition of a new surround
channel with this use of speakers allows a sound designer to create true
"fly-over" and "fly-around" effects that are smoother and much more accurately
placed, either directly behind or directly beside the audience."

5.1 systems are long outdated. Haven't had one since laser discs.

RB

larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 21st 03 03:33 AM

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On 21 Nov 2003 01:57:54 GMT,(Bobsprit) wrote:

With the cost of
DVDs so, so low, why would I want to any time downloading and burning DVDs?


First thing Booby DVD is a **** poor bloated format much like
yourself.

The technologically advanced like myself use a compressed format that
can take a 2 hour DVD movie and archive it to one 700 meg cd-r with no
loss of audio or sound quality. Then we can format that cd to play in
most good stand alone DVD players.

You sir are a technological caveman. In the near future we will have
solid state storage systems that will have the ability to hold the
entire database of our civilization. In terms that those of your ilk
can understand we will have the capacity to store every movie, audio
CD, e-book, audio book, and photograph ever produced on a single
computer hard drive.




Bobsprit November 21st 03 04:03 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
The technologically advanced like myself use a compressed format that
can take a 2 hour DVD movie and archive it to one 700 meg cd-r with no
loss of audio or sound quality.

I've been burning DVD's before you knew what they were and on real authoring
systems. Move along little boy.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 04:05 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
In the near future we will have
solid state storage systems that will have the ability to hold the
entire database of our civilization.

Yeah, but not in the "near" future. You're too dumb to understand why. HD-DVD
is next and that'll be around for quite a while. I'm currently using PS DVD and
HD-VHS. You're playing with toys.

RB

SAIL LOCO November 21st 03 04:28 AM

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5.1 systems are long outdated. Haven't had one since laser discs.

Hey Boob since Laserdisc was analog tell us how you derived a 5.1 audio
signal off one of those discs.
LOL................ Hey everybody, the Boob****ter must have owned the
worlds only digital laser disc.

S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

SAIL LOCO November 21st 03 04:30 AM

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no loss of audio or sound quality.

I thought they were one and the same. Audio and sound.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Bobsprit November 21st 03 11:52 AM

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Hey Boob since Laserdisc was analog tell us how you derived a 5.1 audio
signal off one of those discs.


Good Lord, Loco. Dolby Pro Logic derived rear and center channels for 4.1 and
5.1 systems since the early 90's, even with VHS and EARLY laser. By the way,
did you know that the center channel is essentially matrixed? It's still a
discreet channel (in effect) because it a SAE in the soundtracks.
I'm still trying to go easy on you here. I've owned many systems, even an early
3 channel with matrixed rears and no center. From a purist POV no system has a
purely and discreetly transmitted center or center rear. If you only read about
this lightly, as clearly you have, it's hard for you to know what's what. But
Dolby Pro logic/DD derived 5 channels (not DD) ANALOG, SAE. Here's what was
available with an ordinary pro logic processor...and a laser disc:

From the Laser Disc FAQ
NTSC discs:

2 analog channels (last discs like this were made in the 80's)
2 analog channels + 2 uncompressed digital channels
1 analog channel + 2 uncompressed digital channels + 5.1 Dolby Digital channels

2 analog channels + 5.1 DTS channels

Hope this helps.

RB

Simple Simon November 21st 03 02:55 PM

Fat and Stupid Bobsprit - bleh!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...

I can't help it if my name is Bobsprit and I'm fat and stupid . . .

RB


I agree!!!!



Simple Simon November 21st 03 02:56 PM

Fat and Stupid Bobsprit - bleh!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...

I've been burning weed before you knew what a joint was and on real authoring
bongs. I'm a dumb little boy.

RB



I agree!!!!!



larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 21st 03 03:21 PM

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On 21 Nov 2003 04:30:32 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

no loss of audio or sound quality.

I thought they were one and the same. Audio and sound.


Sorry I should have said video or audio quality.


Bobsprit November 21st 03 03:41 PM

Fat and Stupid Bobsprit - bleh!
 
Notice how the word "matrix" keeps popping up...

Matrix is how the center channel is also derived. Based on how films are
recorded you could argue that after two or four tacks, all are Matrixed. Doesn'
t mean much. 5.1 is not 6.1.

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 04:03 PM

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I thought they were one and the same. Audio and sound.

Sorry I should have said video or audio quality.

We're still waiting to hear which 37" model tube TV you have!!!
Hmmmm?

RB

Bobsprit November 21st 03 04:10 PM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
HD-DVD
is next and that'll be around for quite a while.


EVD is next.

Same thing. EVD royalty issue is key in it's success here. We'll see how long
it takes to remaster the DVD catalogues! Meanwhile DVD progressive scan looks
excellent up to around 55-60 inches. On my 47 6X9 HD-TV it looks very
film-like, but not match for true HD Video Tape. Few movies available for that
deck, but it was a gift.

RB


Jeff Morris November 21st 03 05:33 PM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
You might explain what formats you use that have eluded everyone else. For the real
world, Video CDs only hold 74 minutes of reduced resolution.



"larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone" wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2003 01:57:54 GMT,(Bobsprit) wrote:

With the cost of
DVDs so, so low, why would I want to any time downloading and burning DVDs?


First thing Booby DVD is a **** poor bloated format much like
yourself.

The technologically advanced like myself use a compressed format that
can take a 2 hour DVD movie and archive it to one 700 meg cd-r with no
loss of audio or sound quality. Then we can format that cd to play in
most good stand alone DVD players.

You sir are a technological caveman. In the near future we will have
solid state storage systems that will have the ability to hold the
entire database of our civilization. In terms that those of your ilk
can understand we will have the capacity to store every movie, audio
CD, e-book, audio book, and photograph ever produced on a single
computer hard drive.






Bobsprit November 21st 03 05:43 PM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
You might explain what formats you use that have eluded everyone else. For the
real
world, Video CDs only hold 74 minutes of reduced resolution.

Jeff, I can burn entire DVDs, even over 120 minutes with compression software.
They are essentially backups and will play on any player. Software can be found
at Kaaza. It works best with a FAST machine and burner. Sometimes DTS tracks
become problematic, but the regular Dolby tracks work fine.
I don't steal movies online.

RB

larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 22nd 03 01:32 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:33:24 -0500, "Jeff Morris" wrote:

You might explain what formats you use that have eluded everyone else. For the real
world, Video CDs only hold 74 minutes of reduced resolution.


Pay attention for I already posted this link on a previous message in
this thread http://www.divx.com

One more time for all you short bus riders:

6.71 two hour DivX rips can be burned to one DVD-r media with NO
apparent loss of video or audio quality from the original (store
bought) DVD.

Bobsprit November 22nd 03 01:47 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
6.71 two hour DivX rips can be burned to one DVD-r media with NO
apparent loss of video or audio quality from the original (store
bought) DVD.

No loss on your 37" TV that you refuse to identify?

Bwahahahaha!

RB

larry flint a.k.a lawrence stone November 22nd 03 02:15 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
On 22 Nov 2003 01:47:05 GMT,
(Bobsprit) wrote:

No loss on your 37" TV that you refuse to identify?


So big freaking deal I just checked and it is a 36".

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....oryId=cat03002

Now you can go back to your hobby of drowning kittens you pathetic net
stalker.

Bobsprit November 22nd 03 02:35 AM

Master and Commander - bleh!
 
No loss on your 37" TV that you refuse to identify?

So big freaking deal I just checked and it is a 36".


Ladies and gents, I rest my case. I've dismantled another one for you!

RB


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