Which Radar, Redux
 

Once again, a special place is reserved at the end of the list:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
For your edification here is a list of people to ignore.

...

S.Simon

Which Radar, Redux
 

This is not a forum to ask questions about sailing for any purpose other
than entertainment. I certianly would not preface any purchase or use of any
equipment with information supplied here. Many try, but a few are here only
to confuse and inflate their own ego's. The latter tend to throw enough
disinformation around your time is better spent any where else, if true
useable information is required.
wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:09:13 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

wrote in message
So, I'm wondering... For coastal sailing in LIS and very occasional
forays to
open ocean points north of there, do I need anything more than Furuno's
model
1623?

Why do you think you need any Radar? Do you often travel in fog? Are
you headed Down
East?

A small radar will help a lot if you get caught in Vineyard Sound and
want to stay clear
of the ferry, but it sounds like this would only happen once a year, if
that.

You can make a case for more powerful radar if you cruise the Maine Coast
all summer, but
not for LIS.

I was hoping for some input from people with actual experience and
knowledge.
You and that Mooron guy (Who can't even spell moron correctly) seem more
interested in trying to inflate your own weak and faltering egos more than
adding anything of value.

Yes, I frequently encounter fog in the LIS, as well as moderate darkness
most
nights. If you had a boat and sailed it, you would be more familiar with
these
concepts.

Thanks anyway, jackass.

Joey

Which Radar, Redux
 

That's a nice philosophical argument, but what's the point? I'm not saying you shouldn't
get a radar, although I did question why you think you need it. I'm saying that unless
you have a special need you haven't mentioned, you don't need more than a quality basic
unit.

So I'll ask you a third time, what aspect of the Furuno 1623 do you think might be
lacking?




wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:04:14 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

Sorry, Joey, I tried to give you reasonable advise. I have sailed in New England for
over
40 years. The last dozen years I've had radar, and I've been happy to have it. But I
cruise the Maine Coast, Buzzard's Bay, and Vineyard Sound - all places that have more
than
their share of fog. I've also traveled the East Coast to Florida several times, and
haven't used radar more than few times south of Newport.

LIS has very little fog; roughly 1% of observations have visibility less than 1/2 mile.
If you "frequently encounter fog" in LIS, you don't know what fog is. When you get
further East, you run into more consistent soup: Nantucket is 10% of observations.
Even
in the cities in Maine the number is 4%, but offshore that can go much higher. And
while
radar is handy at night, it shouldn't be needed in good visibility.

Further, you asked if you need anything more than a 1623. The answer, in my opinion,
is
no. You'll make marginal use of a small radar on LIS; I don't see any reason to spend
money on a bigger. What do you think you need? More power? More range? Better
resolution? A bigger screen? You tell us, what feature do you think you need? You
haven't told us what kind of boat you actually have, or where you plan to cruise.


A big factor for me is being able to see the display. My vision isn't as good as
it used to be. The Furuno seems to have a big advantage in that regard.

I certainly don't suggest that there is constant fog on the LIS. As far as I'm
concerned, if there is fog when I want to sail, then I need radar. Is that such
a foolish notion? Last summer I sailed down the coast in extremely thick fog.
For much of the time visibility was between 20 and 300 feet. I navigated from
buoy to buoy using a compass, a watch, a knotlog and a chart. Radar would have
been REALLY nice when passing New Haven and Bridgeport. I don't care if I don't
need radar often. My preference is to have it when I need it. Just like my PFD,
EPIRB, and other safety equipment. I don't need any of those most of the time,
but in certain rare situations, they can save me.

In this month's Sail Mag, there is a good quote. It was from someone who had
been in a few situations where he had to abandon ship. In each case, as he
boarded the liferaft, he said to himself that he wished he had spent more money
on the life raft.

Joey

Which Radar, Redux
 

LIS has very little fog; roughly 1% of observations have visibility less than
1/2 mile.
If you "frequently encounter fog" in LIS, you don't know what fog is.

No, he's already told us that NOAA says there's fog all the time!

RB

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Do ferries and
barges just wander all over the LIS? No, they operate in lanes that can easily
be avoided with GPS.

Totally incorrect as any real sailor could tell you. I guess by your resoning
there is no reason for ferries and barges to have radar or even keep a wath,
since they are so predictable.

Yes, they stay in deep channel's and in the last 8 years I have yet to see a
ferry or tug off it's lane.
You're a joke and a troll. You clearly don't sail. You already got busted on
the "fog" comment. LIS has very little in the way of visibility issues. If your
vision is failing stay home.

RB

Which Radar, Redux
 

As for yachts, you have horn/bells

Yes, Ferries always avoid striking yachts with bells. Thanks for that
clarification.

Here we go again. Can't use a GPS to stay out of the main cargo and ferry
lanes? You don't sail, bub.

RB

Which Radar, Redux
 

It's clear you know little about sailing.

And you, far less.

At least I know what fog is!

bwahahahahaaha!

RB

Which Radar, Redux
 

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

The drag was set so light on that cast... the flounder don't even know it's
hooked!

CM

wrote in message
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| On 17 Nov 2003 00:26:14 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:
|
| Yes, I frequently encounter fog in the LIS, as well as moderate darkness
most
| nights. If you had a boat and sailed it, you would be more familiar with
these
| concepts.
|
| Joey, I think you got plenty of good info.
|
| My first question was very general. My second is the result of narrowing
down my
| choices. I'm now looking for folks with specific knowledge, which you seem
to
| lack.
|
| I sail on the LIS, days and nights
| and fog happens but it's not common.
|
| I would have to disagree on that point. So would NOAA
|
| My C&C 32 came with radar, but it's not
| something I'd swear is needed on the LIS, as others pointed out. Most
days I
| see fog in the mornings, burning off pretty quickly. Once we got caught
in some
| very thick stuff on my old Catalina 27 and we used the GPS to ring our
way
| home.
|
| Did your GPS show you any yachts, ferries or barges that might be an
issue? I
| read a thread where you had to sail back and forth to find the entrance to
Port
| Jeff. That's a pretty easy entrance. If you knew how to use your radar, it
would
| have been even easier. It's well lit and marked.
|
| Most parts of the LIS are VERY well lit due to NYC glow.
|
| Really? I'm mostly above the Connecticut River. NYC glow is not a factor
at all.
| You must be very limited in your sailing range. NYC is at one extreme end
of the
| LIS. Look at a chart if you need to, to confirm this.
|
| Joey

Which Radar, Redux
 

Go stuff yourself you walking talking bag of whining crap. You offer nothing
here but idiotic blubbering on a plethora of topics. Your input is absent
and your opinions are worthless.

CM



"The Carrolls" wrote in message
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| This is not a forum to ask questions about sailing for any purpose other
| than entertainment. I certianly would not preface any purchase or use of
any
| equipment with information supplied here. Many try, but a few are here
only
| to confuse and inflate their own ego's. The latter tend to throw enough
| disinformation around your time is better spent any where else, if true
| useable information is required.
| wrote in message
| ...
| On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:09:13 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
| wrote:
|
| wrote in message
| So, I'm wondering... For coastal sailing in LIS and very occasional
| forays to
| open ocean points north of there, do I need anything more than
Furuno's
| model
| 1623?
|
| Why do you think you need any Radar? Do you often travel in fog? Are
| you headed Down
| East?
|
| A small radar will help a lot if you get caught in Vineyard Sound and
| want to stay clear
| of the ferry, but it sounds like this would only happen once a year, if
| that.
|
| You can make a case for more powerful radar if you cruise the Maine
Coast
| all summer, but
| not for LIS.
|
| I was hoping for some input from people with actual experience and
| knowledge.
| You and that Mooron guy (Who can't even spell moron correctly) seem
more
| interested in trying to inflate your own weak and faltering egos more
than
| adding anything of value.
|
| Yes, I frequently encounter fog in the LIS, as well as moderate darkness
| most
| nights. If you had a boat and sailed it, you would be more familiar with
| these
| concepts.
|
| Thanks anyway, jackass.
|
| Joey
|
|

Which Radar, Redux
 

Yeah... this idiot probably takes 6 hours to decide on a friggin'
flashlight!

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
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|
| wrote in message
| ...
| Well, I've decided that the JRC 1000, at any price is really not quite
| adequate.
| One thing I've found in the less expensive monochrome displays is that
the
| Furuno 1623 is a quantum leap ahead of most of the other lower end
| displays as
| far as being easy to see. That "bright silver" thingy really makes a
huge
| difference!
|
|
| Are you the same person who asked this question last week?
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|
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