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Joe November 11th 03 03:16 PM

Thank You Ol Thom
 
Thanks for doing your part in making the USA the greatest country on earth.
Thank you and all the vets that carried the tourch of freedom.

Who else here is a veteran?

Joe
C.A.P.
N.J.R.O.T.C.
BMSN
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37
USMM Master


Its to easy to tell who is not.

Scott Vernon November 11th 03 04:11 PM

Thank You Ol Thom
 
I'll drink to that!

Scotty

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Thanks for doing your part in making the USA the greatest country on

earth.
Thank you and all the vets that carried the tourch of freedom.

Who else here is a veteran?

Joe
C.A.P.
N.J.R.O.T.C.
BMSN
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37
USMM Master


Its to easy to tell who is not.



DSK November 11th 03 04:29 PM

Thank You Ol Thom
 
Joe wrote:

Thanks for doing your part in making the USA the greatest country on earth.
Thank you and all the vets that carried the tourch of freedom.

Who else here is a veteran?


I'll second that, and add a salute.

Doug King, ex BT1(SW)
USS MacDonough DDG-37
USS Paul FF-1080


Thom Stewart November 11th 03 06:41 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way. You younger Vets have
never had that option. Politics have entered our lives and God help me
for saying this, but I don't think anyone can know what a final victory
is anymore.

I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.

Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom


Simple Simon November 11th 03 08:13 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
What war did you fight in? The Civil War? :-)

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way. You younger Vets have
never had that option. Politics have entered our lives and God help me
for saying this, but I don't think anyone can know what a final victory
is anymore.

I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.

Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom




DSK November 11th 03 09:04 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 


"Thom Stewart" wrote...
Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious, economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.




Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


The_navigator© November 11th 03 09:11 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.



I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious, economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.



In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"



I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



DSK November 11th 03 09:23 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 


The navigator© wrote:

Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.


Excuse, me, it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension. Is English your native language?

I did not "lump them together" other than in the sense that they cannot agree, which you seconded. So how does this 'reveal'
anything at all about my 'diplomatic smarts,' aside from which I'm not a diplomat at all.



The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.


Since you have no respect for the US to start with, why bother with trying to impress the likes of you?

DSK


The_navigator© November 11th 03 09:46 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Still not raised your debating skill beyond the schoolyard? Or are you
just as stupid as you appear to be? Let me repost your statement:

"1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms "

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


The navigator© wrote:


Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.



Excuse, me, it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension. Is English your native language?

I did not "lump them together" other than in the sense that they cannot agree, which you seconded. So how does this 'reveal'
anything at all about my 'diplomatic smarts,' aside from which I'm not a diplomat at all.




The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.



Since you have no respect for the US to start with, why bother with trying to impress the likes of you?

DSK



DSK November 11th 03 09:55 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
The navigator© wrote:

Still not raised your debating skill beyond the schoolyard? Or are you
just as stupid as you appear to be? Let me repost your statement:

"1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms "


And you then said:



Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on


In other words, they cannot agree. As I said.

Thank you and good night. Don't forget to take your medicine before beddie-byes.

DSK


The_navigator© November 11th 03 09:55 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
GOALS GOALS GOALS -not means of achieving them!

God are you stupid.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


Still not raised your debating skill beyond the schoolyard? Or are you
just as stupid as you appear to be? Let me repost your statement:

"1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms "



And you then said:


Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on



In other words, they cannot agree. As I said.

Thank you and good night. Don't forget to take your medicine before beddie-byes.

DSK



Scott Vernon November 11th 03 10:14 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...
Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of

real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.



I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political

solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's

hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the

Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they

have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,

economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic

groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation

makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.



In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for

today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living

conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always

chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"



I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




The_navigator© November 11th 03 10:15 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...

Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...


Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of


real

credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political


solution for an economic problem. It's a loose

term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective


will on another group by force. An old fashioned

word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's


hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the


Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over

ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they


have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate

that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,


economically valuable targets for our military to go

after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized


country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so


there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on

any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic


groups who profit by the destruction of

competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation


makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for


today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with

their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living


conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to

me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always


chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.




Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King





Scott Vernon November 11th 03 10:31 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
WRONG, the world belongs to US.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...

Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...


Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of


real

credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was

the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly

war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political


solution for an economic problem. It's a loose

term for any large group of people attempting to impose their

collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned

word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's


hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the


Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over

ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they


have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate

that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,


economically valuable targets for our military to go

after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any

industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,

so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on

any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic


groups who profit by the destruction of

competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation


makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for


today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with

their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living


conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to

me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always


chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.




Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR

VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King






Capt. Mooron November 11th 03 10:48 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|



Scott Vernon November 11th 03 10:58 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
We don't want THAT part of the world.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving

it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all

Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes

as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share

of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It

was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,

costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own

goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US

always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|




Capt. Mooron November 11th 03 11:21 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Well goody for you cause you Can't Have It! So There!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| We don't want THAT part of the world.
|
| SV
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
| it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
| Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes
| as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share
| of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
| was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
| costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
| goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
| always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|



Donal November 11th 03 11:29 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
WRONG, the world belongs to the US.


No, it doesn't!



Regards

Touche.
--





Maynard G. Krebbs November 11th 03 11:59 PM

Thank You Ol Thom
 
On 11 Nov 2003 07:16:57 -0800, (Joe) wrote:

Thanks for doing your part in making the USA the greatest country on earth.
Thank you and all the vets that carried the tourch of freedom.

Who else here is a veteran?

Joe
C.A.P.
N.J.R.O.T.C.
BMSN
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37
USMM Master


Its to easy to tell who is not.


Thanks and Hi all.
Mark E. Williams
EX
USMC radioman with team "Date Palm"
4th Platoon; "C" Company;
1st Recon Bn.; 1st MarDiv
Jan. 68 - Aug. 69

Marine Corps birthday was Nov 10. 228 years old.

The_navigator© November 12th 03 12:07 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
No wonder you are having trouble! You don't even know who will inherit
the earth!

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

WRONG, the world belongs to US.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:


SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...


Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:



"Thom Stewart" wrote...



Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of

real


credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was


the

Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly


war

but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political

solution for an economic problem. It's a loose


term for any large group of people attempting to impose their


collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned


word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's

hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.


The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the

Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over


ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they

have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate


that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,

economically valuable targets for our military to go


after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any


industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.


1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,


so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on


any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic

groups who profit by the destruction of


competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation

makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for

today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with


their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living

conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to


me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always

chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.





Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR


VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King





The_navigator© November 12th 03 12:15 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|




Schoonertrash November 12th 03 12:18 AM

Thank You Ol Thom
 
20 Years and One Day . .US Army. But more importantly. Did Thom tell you
he worked on Navy ships in WWII? Now THAT is real service!

MST



Schoonertrash November 12th 03 03:30 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Actually mine is bigger. That's why I have to use chafing gear. The cynic
in me arises once again. A small tribute to someone like Thom devolves ad
nauseum into sandbox rhetoric. Now boys and boys...the ladies being to
intelligent to take part in this . . . .a small lesson in real politik.

Carlos Marighella, a Brazilian, writes a small tome entitled "Mini Manual
For The Urban Guerrilla". In the 60's a group of would be revolutionaries,
Tupamaros, put it's precepts to use in Uruguay. Uruguay, up til then known
as the 'Switzerland of the Americas" went from one of the four most
democratic countries of the Americas (the others being, at the time US,
Canada, and Costa Rica) on a down hill slide and almost but not quite into a
permanent military dictatorship.

The Tupamaros were small, under equipped and underfunded. They had almost
zero support. The strategy was to turn the freedoms of a democratic (Small
"D") nation against itself in a judo like manner. The tactic was
irrational acts of violence, no two alike. The victims were . . .anyone
and no one of any great importance.

All this was lumped under the term "Cycle of Repression". Here's how it
worked. An act of senseless violence was carried out. Say a bomb on a bus.
Lots of bodies. Some propaganda then released claiming the police were
impotent to stop further acts. Next maybe poison in a town's water supply.
More propaganda. More acts followed each unrelated as to place, time,
victims, or methodology. The population demands the police and other
authorities protect them. Police say 'fine but we're going to have to
suspend a few civil liberties.' Maybe roadside searches of vehicles, maybe
curfews. A few more acts of violence occur. Population gets very vocal and
demanding. Police say 'fine but we're going to have to temporarily suspend
a few more civil liberties. And so on . .. after a while along with some
other deeds designed to show the Tupamaros supported the population, the
police and the military drifted into the role of 'oppressors'. People would
forget who was the real enemy. The democratic government was now seen as
totalitarian. Cycle after cycle of violence bred more 'repression' until
the population supported the revolutionaries. Least ways this was the plan
according to Senor Marighella.

. . . . it almost worked in Uruguay.

Now 9/11 and the Department of Homeland Security . . . . . . ..

Not necessarily a bad thing . . . .as long as the cycles don't re-occur. As
for me . .. . I'd stay away from Friday night High School basketball games
in Kansas.

"The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize."

It's a new world out there folks, there are no front lines. And you wonder
why I don't care about eight or ten nukes? Welcome to my style of military
service.

Cheers . . .and don't sweat it . . .just go sailing!

MST







Capt. Mooron November 12th 03 10:13 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.

Sod off you Runt!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|



Joe November 12th 03 07:02 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Some have very clear goals.



Yeah, To pick up a six pack of virgins just for being vaporized. What
a goal, what rational thinking, pure genious huh?


It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on.



TNT or C4 or Deisel & fertilizer decisions, decisions.


While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.


We dont scare easy, We leave that to you and yours. No one is going to
sucker punch the USA and get away with it.


That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.


We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.



I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious, economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.



In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"



I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


The_navigator© November 12th 03 08:28 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
I agree, we have far less permafrost and less ignorance.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.

Sod off you Runt!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|




The_navigator© November 12th 03 09:08 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Oh dear do you really believe you just support freedom fighters? Let me
ask you a simple question. Which regimes currently supported by the US
believe in execution without trial, torture, rape, separation of
families, midnight 'knocks'. And yet you call the commies "evil"? Take
off your blinkers man.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:



We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.



Capt. Mooron November 12th 03 11:30 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding your
proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid rain
and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| I agree, we have far less permafrost and less ignorance.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
| with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.
|
| Sod off you Runt!
|
| CM
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Capt. Mooron wrote:
| |
| | Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
| |
| | CM
| |
| | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| | |
| | |
| | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | But you are on MY planet.
| | |
| | | Cheers MC
| | |
| | | Scott Vernon wrote:
| | |
| | | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| | |
| | | Scotty
| | |
| | |
| | | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| | |
| | | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of
achieving
| it
| | | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
| Americans
| | | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open
negotiation
| | table.
| | | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
| smarts.
| | The
| | | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
| eyes as
| | | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support
terrorist
| | | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| | |
| | | Cheers MC
| | |
| | | DSK wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| | |
| | |
| | | Thanks Joe,
| | |
| | | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
| share of
| | |
| | | real
| | |
| | | credit,
| | |
| | | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him.
It
| was
| | | the
| | | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
| costly
| | | war
| | | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| | |
| | | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| | |
| | |
| | | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| | political
| | |
| | | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| | |
| | | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | | collective
| | |
| | | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| | |
| | | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has
tried
| | it's
| | |
| | | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| | |
| | | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies
of
| the
| | |
| | | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| | |
| | | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the
only
| way
| | they
| | |
| | | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| | |
| | | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
| obvious,
| | |
| | | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| | |
| | | after.
| | |
| | | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | | industrialized
| | |
| | | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| | |
| | | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their
own
| goals,
| | | so
| | |
| | | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| | |
| | | any terms
| | |
| | | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for
behind-the-scenes
| | economic
| | |
| | | groups who profit by the destruction of
| | |
| | | competitors assets
| | |
| | | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
| situation
| | |
| | | makes me very sad.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher
than we
| | did.
| | |
| | |
| | | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it
easy
| for
| | |
| | | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| | |
| | | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable.
Living
| | |
| | | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| | |
| | | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the
US
| always
| | |
| | | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| | |
| | | terrains we can find.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all
OUR
| | | VETS----
| | |
| | | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| | |
| | |
| | | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| | |
| | | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|



Thom Stewart November 12th 03 11:34 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Which regimes---------?

Do you mean the UK and their treatment of the Irish??

OT


The_navigator© November 12th 03 11:42 PM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Well of course we ship stupidy out. That's smart doncha think?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:30:44 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:


While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding your
proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid rain
and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.

CM


Our national IQ drops with every plane landing from New Zealand.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




The_navigator© November 13th 03 12:05 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
As much as that? You been allowing the gene pool to dilute?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:42:51 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Well of course we ship stupidy out. That's smart doncha think?

Cheers MC



Yeah, but suburbs like Rockdale now have an average IQ of 50!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Schoonertrash November 13th 03 12:29 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Let's see the main cause of acid rain in the Eastern US and Canada is
burning bituminous coal by citizens of the United States AND Canada rather
than clean burning anthracite coal. Don't know about Canada but here's how
it worked in the US. The bituminous coal mine owners not only contributed
greatly to the campaign of one Prince Albert "Let Them Eat Gridlock" Gore.
Who then invested heavily in the same dirty coal producing companies with
the proceeds of his sale of tobacco producing interests (sold to relatives
as it happens). Concurrently one of the largest deposites of 'clean'
anthracite' coal was locked up from use out in Utah and surrounding areas by
the preceding administration. Hmmmmmmmmm..... "Follow The Money".
Instead of whining "What about the Republicans" who no doubt do much the
same thing . . . .clean the pox off your own house. Now go running to Daddy
Carville and plead "James, James . . .what do I regugitate now????" Wheah
mah GUmbO? Ok . . .drag out the next cliche . . ..



Capt. Mooron November 13th 03 12:34 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Especially at the rate you guys produce it.....

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Well of course we ship stupidy out. That's smart doncha think?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capetanios Oz wrote:
|
| On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:30:44 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
| wrote:
|
|
| While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding
your
| proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid
rain
| and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.
|
| CM
|
| Our national IQ drops with every plane landing from New Zealand.
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
|
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|
|



The_navigator© November 13th 03 12:36 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Canaduh?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Especially at the rate you guys produce it.....

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Well of course we ship stupidy out. That's smart doncha think?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capetanios Oz wrote:
|
| On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:30:44 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
| wrote:
|
|
| While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding
your
| proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid
rain
| and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.
|
| CM
|
| Our national IQ drops with every plane landing from New Zealand.
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
|
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|
|




Simple Simon November 13th 03 12:54 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
But, this cannot be correct. Bobsprit maintained a couple
months ago that automobiles were the main cause of acid rain.
And, Bobsprit is ALWAYS right, isn't he?

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Let's see the main cause of acid rain in the Eastern US and Canada is
burning bituminous coal by citizens of the United States AND Canada rather
than clean burning anthracite coal. Don't know about Canada but here's how
it worked in the US. The bituminous coal mine owners not only contributed
greatly to the campaign of one Prince Albert "Let Them Eat Gridlock" Gore.
Who then invested heavily in the same dirty coal producing companies with
the proceeds of his sale of tobacco producing interests (sold to relatives
as it happens). Concurrently one of the largest deposites of 'clean'
anthracite' coal was locked up from use out in Utah and surrounding areas by
the preceding administration. Hmmmmmmmmm..... "Follow The Money".
Instead of whining "What about the Republicans" who no doubt do much the
same thing . . . .clean the pox off your own house. Now go running to Daddy
Carville and plead "James, James . . .what do I regugitate now????" Wheah
mah GUmbO? Ok . . .drag out the next cliche . . ..





Capt. Mooron November 13th 03 01:29 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 

Capetanios Oz wrote in message

| Nah, but when the Maori move in, everyone else leaves :-)

Those guys are pure warrior. Like the Samoans! Not good to get on the wrong
side of one.

I respect people like that.

Kefe! Fia Poko Onga Kia! Oufa!

CM



Thom Stewart November 13th 03 03:40 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Not to worry CM,

You get even with raw sewage each time you flush

OT


Capt. Mooron November 14th 03 02:26 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 

Capetanios Oz wrote in message

| Kefe! Fia Poko Onga Kia! Oufa!
| Wanna translate that?

Sure ... Samoan!

Kefe = ****er, ****wad, dipstick

Fia Poko onga Kia = eat ****, crap for brains

Oufa = Asshole

Now try this in Samoan.... Uma Lava Pili Kaki or Uma Lava Pea Soupo

Can't fiqure it out???? Kalo Fia... Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Village Umunga... Illi Illi American Samoa!

Respect Sa! I stand for Illi Llli! I am a Warrior!

Understand the way of the Warrior!

CM



The_navigator© November 14th 03 02:42 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Oh brother! You and Doug have a lot in common now!

Cheers MC


Capt. Mooron wrote:

Capetanios Oz wrote in message

| Kefe! Fia Poko Onga Kia! Oufa!
| Wanna translate that?

Sure ... Samoan!

Kefe = ****er, ****wad, dipstick

Fia Poko onga Kia = eat ****, crap for brains

Oufa = Asshole

Now try this in Samoan.... Uma Lava Pili Kaki or Uma Lava Pea Soupo

Can't fiqure it out???? Kalo Fia... Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Village Umunga... Illi Illi American Samoa!

Respect Sa! I stand for Illi Llli! I am a Warrior!

Understand the way of the Warrior!

CM




The_navigator© November 14th 03 02:45 AM

Thank You Ole Thom
 
Do you mean Uma lau'ava pili keke?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:


Oufa = Asshole

Now try this in Samoan.... Uma Lava Pili Kaki




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