Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:35 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I thought you lived in southern California. What do
you drive up to Alaska for vacation?

S.Simon

G I used to go to sea for a living. I was frequently on a run to Valdez, Ak.,
which afforded me many opportunities to see the green flash for long periods of
time.

Shen

Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:35 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I thought you lived in southern California. What do
you drive up to Alaska for vacation?

S.Simon

G I used to go to sea for a living. I was frequently on a run to Valdez, Ak.,
which afforded me many opportunities to see the green flash for long periods of
time.

Shen

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

ROFL Like most, I see you don't know what happened.
Try to remember the name "Cousins"
Hazelwood was the Captain and rightly took the "hit" on this .... Cousins was
the Mate that screwed up and grounded the ship.

Shen

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

S.Simon.


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

ROFL Like most, I see you don't know what happened.
Try to remember the name "Cousins"
Hazelwood was the Captain and rightly took the "hit" on this .... Cousins was
the Mate that screwed up and grounded the ship.

Shen

bject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 18:33 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

S.Simon.


As I said, you don't know what happened.
Cousins' was the Mate on watch. Hazelwood, was not "passed out drunk". Cousins'
should have been qualified to do the necessary navigation (hell, his license
was so far above yours), but he made a 3M, mistake. They were not navigating
through a reef, but down a traffic seperation scheme and were maneuvering
around ice.
The only part of your nonsense that I agree with, is that Hazelwood, should
have stayed on the bridge until they cleared the ice, but, the 3M should have
been able to handle and perform any needed navigation, to get clear of this
area. Hell, it was simple coastal navigation, that even a newbie, such as
yourself, should have been able to handle. Problem was, he made the same
mistake so many newbie's make .... he didn't confirm that the ordered course
change had actually been carried out, as ordered.
Once, when rounding Point Conception, I watched my 3M order a course change to
stbd, to head North (just happened to be on the bridge). Rather than give right
rudder to come right, the QM gave left rudder, to G come the long way, to the
new heading. No problem, except there was traffic to port. The 3M went to the
chart room to plot his position, without monitoring what was happening, and I
let things go ...... BG .... at a certain point, I called the Mate and
suggested he might want to check what was going on .... he freaked and said,
Captain, it's yours ! I said, F*** You, you screwed it up, you fix it! LOL he
did. Needless to say, we had a long discussion afterwards ....twas a good
lesson learned and he ended up being a good Mate.

Shen

Took me 30 years to see the first one then I saw three within a couple of
weeks. I did learn a trick for seeing them more often and for sure with
more clarity. Use the binoculars. Still need the same clear horizon but
you see the green line forming along the top edge and then all of a sudden
it sort of withdraws upon itself to the top dead center of the sun's disc
and then sort of disappears. Lasts a splitsecond but you can see it better
that way. I didn't count the times with the bino's or the 20X Big Eyes
though.

As for Hazelwood he was asleep in his cabin at the time whichis wear most
Master's would be. The watches are run by the mates: Chief, 2nd and 3rd or
sometimes 2nd and two 3rd Mates. What he had to drink the night before was
irrelevent. What was relevent was the experience of the mate on watch, the
times that mate had transited the same area, standing operational
procedures, orders in the 'night book' and the experience level of the
helmsman. Even though it ended up with the mate being clearly at fault and
the helmsman trying to turn the rudder 'thinking' he was in hand steering
but actually was in autopilot. .. the Master is at all times responsible for
everything that happens on his/her vessel. That's the pitfall of getting a
license. Doesn't matter if you have a two ton sailboat tied up to a dock.
The senior license holder is always responsible.

Funny thing was up until then Exxon had the best record of any company
shipping tankers. They hired all the honor graduates from the academies and
then made them work deckplate before they could be ship's officers. Bad as
it was the whole episode was only what 40th plus in terms of barrels of oil
spilled. Well the new rules are emplace and we get to follow them . .. .
..shame it doesn't hold true for most foreign flag ships. Kinda like
Charley Tuna in American Samoa. The US canning plants buy from all
comers.....including the foreign vessels that net, and process and take
home, the dolphins etc.

OK time to bag it for the night. . . long day tomorrow.

MST

You look at the sun through binoculars????????????/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Cheers MC

Schoonertrash wrote:

Took me 30 years to see the first one then I saw three within a couple of
weeks. I did learn a trick for seeing them more often and for sure with
more clarity. Use the binoculars. Still need the same clear horizon but
you see the green line forming along the top edge and then all of a sudden
it sort of withdraws upon itself to the top dead center of the sun's disc
and then sort of disappears. Lasts a splitsecond but you can see it better
that way. I didn't count the times with the bino's or the 20X Big Eyes
though.

As for Hazelwood he was asleep in his cabin at the time whichis wear most
Master's would be. The watches are run by the mates: Chief, 2nd and 3rd or
sometimes 2nd and two 3rd Mates. What he had to drink the night before was
irrelevent. What was relevent was the experience of the mate on watch, the
times that mate had transited the same area, standing operational
procedures, orders in the 'night book' and the experience level of the
helmsman. Even though it ended up with the mate being clearly at fault and
the helmsman trying to turn the rudder 'thinking' he was in hand steering
but actually was in autopilot. .. the Master is at all times responsible for
everything that happens on his/her vessel. That's the pitfall of getting a
license. Doesn't matter if you have a two ton sailboat tied up to a dock.
The senior license holder is always responsible.

Funny thing was up until then Exxon had the best record of any company
shipping tankers. They hired all the honor graduates from the academies and
then made them work deckplate before they could be ship's officers. Bad as
it was the whole episode was only what 40th plus in terms of barrels of oil
spilled. Well the new rules are emplace and we get to follow them . .. .
.shame it doesn't hold true for most foreign flag ships. Kinda like
Charley Tuna in American Samoa. The US canning plants buy from all
comers.....including the foreign vessels that net, and process and take
home, the dolphins etc.

OK time to bag it for the night. . . long day tomorrow.

MST

Heh Shen.... what's the average time for a Trans- Atlantic crossing from
Lisbon to Halifax? I'm expecting a sailboat delivered by ship. It was loaded
Friday the 7th and the expected departure is for Sat. the 8th.?

I'm keeping an eye on the Port Authority website to see when the Argonau
arrives.

Thx

CM


"Shen44" wrote in message
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| bject: Green flash at totality
| From: "Simple Simon"
| Date: 11/08/2003 18:33 Pacific Standard Time
| Message-id:
|
|
|
| But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
| Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
| be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
| should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.
|
| S.Simon.
|
|
| As I said, you don't know what happened.
| Cousins' was the Mate on watch. Hazelwood, was not "passed out drunk".
Cousins'
| should have been qualified to do the necessary navigation (hell, his
license
| was so far above yours), but he made a 3M, mistake. They were not
navigating
| through a reef, but down a traffic seperation scheme and were maneuvering
| around ice.
| The only part of your nonsense that I agree with, is that Hazelwood,
should
| have stayed on the bridge until they cleared the ice, but, the 3M should
have
| been able to handle and perform any needed navigation, to get clear of
this
| area. Hell, it was simple coastal navigation, that even a newbie, such as
| yourself, should have been able to handle. Problem was, he made the same
| mistake so many newbie's make .... he didn't confirm that the ordered
course
| change had actually been carried out, as ordered.
| Once, when rounding Point Conception, I watched my 3M order a course
change to
| stbd, to head North (just happened to be on the bridge). Rather than give
right
| rudder to come right, the QM gave left rudder, to G come the long way,
to the
| new heading. No problem, except there was traffic to port. The 3M went to
the
| chart room to plot his position, without monitoring what was happening,
and I
| let things go ...... BG .... at a certain point, I called the Mate and
| suggested he might want to check what was going on .... he freaked and
said,
| Captain, it's yours ! I said, F*** You, you screwed it up, you fix it! LOL
he
| did. Needless to say, we had a long discussion afterwards ....twas a good
| lesson learned and he ended up being a good Mate.
|
| Shen

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Capt. Mooron"
Date: 11/09/2003 03:27 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Heh Shen.... what's the average time for a Trans- Atlantic crossing from
Lisbon to Halifax? I'm expecting a sailboat delivered by ship. It was loaded
Friday the 7th and the expected departure is for Sat. the 8th.?

I'm keeping an eye on the Port Authority website to see when the Argonau
arrives.

Thx

Quick guess, @5.5 days, depending on speed and weather.
Would think ETA could vary about a day either way.
Your best bet will be what you're all ready doing .... the Port Authority web
sight.
Final ETA's will, naturally, be more accurate starting about 48 hrs prior to
arrival.

Shen

Simple Simon wrote:

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

As usual you don't recall squat correctly so you might be better off to
just stop pretending like you know anything about the industry. You look
even more stupid, if that is possible. You are an offense to those of us
who actually do what you puff and posture about.

Hazlewood is still a thousand times the seaman and master that you could
hope to be if you sailed for a thousand years.

This is a good time for you to just shut up.

Rick