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Rick wrote in message ink.net...
Simple Simon wrote:

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

As usual you don't recall squat correctly so you might be better off to
just stop pretending like you know anything about the industry. You look
even more stupid, if that is possible. You are an offense to those of us
who actually do what you puff and posture about.

Hazlewood is still a thousand times the seaman and master that you could
hope to be if you sailed for a thousand years.

This is a good time for you to just shut up.

Rick

I hear Hazlewood sued exxon and won many millions of dollars.

I know whenever I was in any type of channel, or in an area that you
could run aground I was on the wheel or standing next to the person
that was, hang over or not. **** rolls uphill on a ship.

Mates are for open water IMO.

Joe

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you got that right! A lot of changes since then. STCW is just one of them.
I've yet to see a ship's Master not on the bridge during any sort of harbor
entrance, canal transit, or going up and down rivers. The mate on watch is
also there but except for a qualified Chief or perhaps a 2nd Mate they are
there to assist and learn. Switch to the unlicensed personnel. It doesn't
matter how much experience an AB has if they haven't done the STCW
qualifications they don't get to drive. Makes sense if you think of an AB
who has been working deck and holds in MSC for many years and hasn't been
near a wheelhouse. They can be an AB Unlimited but aren't experienced.
Masters and Chief Mates always check the work history. Snaking up to
Savannah or in the Mississippi I had the unique experience of being paired
with an AB Unlimited who did not have the STCW endorsement. He also held a
3rd Mates ticket. But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight in
the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who has
a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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Joe wrote:




I hear Hazlewood sued exxon and won many millions of dollars.

Believe this may be correct, but sum was kept confidential. Lawsuit may
have been because Exxon threw him to the "dogs", as a sacrificial bone.

I know whenever I was in any type of channel, or in an area that you
could run aground I was on the wheel or standing next to the person
that was, hang over or not. **** rolls uphill on a ship.

Mates are for open water IMO.

Joe

Depends on the conditions. In the area that the Valdez was navigating,
any competent 3M should have been capable of doing the necessary
navigation. My problem was/is that the ship had to maneuver for ice and
the Captain should have been there for that reason alone, until clear.
When making the transit from Hinchinbrook to the pilot station or vice
versa, I'd be on the bridge, but the Mate would be in control, unless we
were navigating ice or picking up/ letting off the pilot.
BG That's what Mates are paid for, and remember, there's a difference
between being on the bridge and being in control of the bridge.

otn

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I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..
But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight
in
the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who
has
a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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Sure, but remember, the new rules allow the Captain to be armed and
shoot incompetent helmsmen who deviate more than 0.25 degrees from the
ordered course.

Scott Vernon wrote:

I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..

But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight

in

the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who

has

a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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not to worry, he's shootin blanks. Anyways, I'd simply steer into a fog
bank then run him over.
;)

SV


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...
Sure, but remember, the new rules allow the Captain to be armed and
shoot incompetent helmsmen who deviate more than 0.25 degrees from the
ordered course.

Scott Vernon wrote:

I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..

But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real
tight

in

the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who

has

a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life
is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

You have been...a 30 foot sloop filled with crap!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB