Green flash at totality
 

Totality of the eclipse of the Moon occurred just a couple
of minutes ago at 20:10. The seeing was perfect here in the
Florida Keys.

Just as totality occurred I saw the green flash. I bet I'm one
in a billion who has seen the green flash reflected off the
Moon as well as several times in person here on Earth.

S.Simon

Green flash at totality
 

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:12 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Totality of the eclipse of the Moon occurred just a couple
of minutes ago at 20:10. The seeing was perfect here in the
Florida Keys.

Just as totality occurred I saw the green flash. I bet I'm one
in a billion who has seen the green flash reflected off the
Moon as well as several times in person here on Earth.

S.Simon


Green flash is a very normal occurence. To me, one of the best places to see
it, is around the Northern latitudes during summer months.

Green flash at totality
 

I thought you lived in southern California. What do
you drive up to Alaska for vacation?

S.Simon


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:12 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Totality of the eclipse of the Moon occurred just a couple
of minutes ago at 20:10. The seeing was perfect here in the
Florida Keys.

Just as totality occurred I saw the green flash. I bet I'm one
in a billion who has seen the green flash reflected off the
Moon as well as several times in person here on Earth.

S.Simon


Green flash is a very normal occurence. To me, one of the best places to see
it, is around the Northern latitudes during summer months.

Green flash at totality
 

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:35 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I thought you lived in southern California. What do
you drive up to Alaska for vacation?

S.Simon

G I used to go to sea for a living. I was frequently on a run to Valdez, Ak.,
which afforded me many opportunities to see the green flash for long periods of
time.

Shen

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Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:35 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I thought you lived in southern California. What do
you drive up to Alaska for vacation?

S.Simon

G I used to go to sea for a living. I was frequently on a run to Valdez, Ak.,
which afforded me many opportunities to see the green flash for long periods of
time.

Shen

Green flash at totality
 

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

ROFL Like most, I see you don't know what happened.
Try to remember the name "Cousins"
Hazelwood was the Captain and rightly took the "hit" on this .... Cousins was
the Mate that screwed up and grounded the ship.

Shen

Green flash at totality
 

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

S.Simon.


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 17:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Were you Hazelwood's mentor?

S.Simon

ROFL Like most, I see you don't know what happened.
Try to remember the name "Cousins"
Hazelwood was the Captain and rightly took the "hit" on this .... Cousins was
the Mate that screwed up and grounded the ship.

Shen

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bject: Green flash at totality
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/08/2003 18:33 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

S.Simon.


As I said, you don't know what happened.
Cousins' was the Mate on watch. Hazelwood, was not "passed out drunk". Cousins'
should have been qualified to do the necessary navigation (hell, his license
was so far above yours), but he made a 3M, mistake. They were not navigating
through a reef, but down a traffic seperation scheme and were maneuvering
around ice.
The only part of your nonsense that I agree with, is that Hazelwood, should
have stayed on the bridge until they cleared the ice, but, the 3M should have
been able to handle and perform any needed navigation, to get clear of this
area. Hell, it was simple coastal navigation, that even a newbie, such as
yourself, should have been able to handle. Problem was, he made the same
mistake so many newbie's make .... he didn't confirm that the ordered course
change had actually been carried out, as ordered.
Once, when rounding Point Conception, I watched my 3M order a course change to
stbd, to head North (just happened to be on the bridge). Rather than give right
rudder to come right, the QM gave left rudder, to G come the long way, to the
new heading. No problem, except there was traffic to port. The 3M went to the
chart room to plot his position, without monitoring what was happening, and I
let things go ...... BG .... at a certain point, I called the Mate and
suggested he might want to check what was going on .... he freaked and said,
Captain, it's yours ! I said, F*** You, you screwed it up, you fix it! LOL he
did. Needless to say, we had a long discussion afterwards ....twas a good
lesson learned and he ended up being a good Mate.

Shen

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Simple Simon wrote:

I bet I'm one in a billion ...

One of life's little blessings, that.

The thought of more than that walking the planet is really really creepy.

Bwahahahahahahaahahahhahahaha a 1ppb wannabe ...

Rick

Green flash at totality
 

Took me 30 years to see the first one then I saw three within a couple of
weeks. I did learn a trick for seeing them more often and for sure with
more clarity. Use the binoculars. Still need the same clear horizon but
you see the green line forming along the top edge and then all of a sudden
it sort of withdraws upon itself to the top dead center of the sun's disc
and then sort of disappears. Lasts a splitsecond but you can see it better
that way. I didn't count the times with the bino's or the 20X Big Eyes
though.

As for Hazelwood he was asleep in his cabin at the time whichis wear most
Master's would be. The watches are run by the mates: Chief, 2nd and 3rd or
sometimes 2nd and two 3rd Mates. What he had to drink the night before was
irrelevent. What was relevent was the experience of the mate on watch, the
times that mate had transited the same area, standing operational
procedures, orders in the 'night book' and the experience level of the
helmsman. Even though it ended up with the mate being clearly at fault and
the helmsman trying to turn the rudder 'thinking' he was in hand steering
but actually was in autopilot. .. the Master is at all times responsible for
everything that happens on his/her vessel. That's the pitfall of getting a
license. Doesn't matter if you have a two ton sailboat tied up to a dock.
The senior license holder is always responsible.

Funny thing was up until then Exxon had the best record of any company
shipping tankers. They hired all the honor graduates from the academies and
then made them work deckplate before they could be ship's officers. Bad as
it was the whole episode was only what 40th plus in terms of barrels of oil
spilled. Well the new rules are emplace and we get to follow them . .. .
..shame it doesn't hold true for most foreign flag ships. Kinda like
Charley Tuna in American Samoa. The US canning plants buy from all
comers.....including the foreign vessels that net, and process and take
home, the dolphins etc.

OK time to bag it for the night. . . long day tomorrow.

MST

Green flash at totality
 

Simple Simon wrote:

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

As usual you don't recall squat correctly so you might be better off to
just stop pretending like you know anything about the industry. You look
even more stupid, if that is possible. You are an offense to those of us
who actually do what you puff and posture about.

Hazlewood is still a thousand times the seaman and master that you could
hope to be if you sailed for a thousand years.

This is a good time for you to just shut up.

Rick

Green flash at totality
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Totality of the eclipse of the Moon occurred just a couple
of minutes ago at 20:10. The seeing was perfect here in the
Florida Keys.

Just as totality occurred I saw the green flash. I bet I'm one
in a billion who has seen the green flash reflected off the
Moon as well as several times in person here on Earth.

S.Simon


Welcome to the club.

Ive seen the green flash (lime light)so many times Ive gotta wear
green shades.

Ever seen it reflected off the water while crossing OOO X OOO ? If so
it make you a GSB.

Joe

Green flash at totality
 

Heh Shen.... what's the average time for a Trans- Atlantic crossing from
Lisbon to Halifax? I'm expecting a sailboat delivered by ship. It was loaded
Friday the 7th and the expected departure is for Sat. the 8th.?

I'm keeping an eye on the Port Authority website to see when the Argonau
arrives.

Thx

CM


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
| bject: Green flash at totality
| From: "Simple Simon"
| Date: 11/08/2003 18:33 Pacific Standard Time
| Message-id:
|
|
|
| But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
| Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
| be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
| should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.
|
| S.Simon.
|
|
| As I said, you don't know what happened.
| Cousins' was the Mate on watch. Hazelwood, was not "passed out drunk".
Cousins'
| should have been qualified to do the necessary navigation (hell, his
license
| was so far above yours), but he made a 3M, mistake. They were not
navigating
| through a reef, but down a traffic seperation scheme and were maneuvering
| around ice.
| The only part of your nonsense that I agree with, is that Hazelwood,
should
| have stayed on the bridge until they cleared the ice, but, the 3M should
have
| been able to handle and perform any needed navigation, to get clear of
this
| area. Hell, it was simple coastal navigation, that even a newbie, such as
| yourself, should have been able to handle. Problem was, he made the same
| mistake so many newbie's make .... he didn't confirm that the ordered
course
| change had actually been carried out, as ordered.
| Once, when rounding Point Conception, I watched my 3M order a course
change to
| stbd, to head North (just happened to be on the bridge). Rather than give
right
| rudder to come right, the QM gave left rudder, to G come the long way,
to the
| new heading. No problem, except there was traffic to port. The 3M went to
the
| chart room to plot his position, without monitoring what was happening,
and I
| let things go ...... BG .... at a certain point, I called the Mate and
| suggested he might want to check what was going on .... he freaked and
said,
| Captain, it's yours ! I said, F*** You, you screwed it up, you fix it! LOL
he
| did. Needless to say, we had a long discussion afterwards ....twas a good
| lesson learned and he ended up being a good Mate.
|
| Shen

Green flash at totality
 

Subject: Green flash at totality
From: "Capt. Mooron"
Date: 11/09/2003 03:27 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Heh Shen.... what's the average time for a Trans- Atlantic crossing from
Lisbon to Halifax? I'm expecting a sailboat delivered by ship. It was loaded
Friday the 7th and the expected departure is for Sat. the 8th.?

I'm keeping an eye on the Port Authority website to see when the Argonau
arrives.

Thx

Quick guess, @5.5 days, depending on speed and weather.
Would think ETA could vary about a day either way.
Your best bet will be what you're all ready doing .... the Port Authority web
sight.
Final ETA's will, naturally, be more accurate starting about 48 hrs prior to
arrival.

Shen

Green flash at totality
 

Thanx Shen... beats 14 days to the Azores by sail boat! ;-)

CM

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
| Subject: Green flash at totality
| From: "Capt. Mooron"
| Date: 11/09/2003 03:27 Pacific Standard Time
| Message-id:
|
| Heh Shen.... what's the average time for a Trans- Atlantic crossing from
| Lisbon to Halifax? I'm expecting a sailboat delivered by ship. It was
loaded
| Friday the 7th and the expected departure is for Sat. the 8th.?
|
| I'm keeping an eye on the Port Authority website to see when the Argonau
| arrives.
|
| Thx
|
| Quick guess, @5.5 days, depending on speed and weather.
| Would think ETA could vary about a day either way.
| Your best bet will be what you're all ready doing .... the Port Authority
web
| sight.
| Final ETA's will, naturally, be more accurate starting about 48 hrs prior
to
| arrival.
|
| Shen

Green flash at totality
 

You look at the sun through binoculars????????????/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Cheers MC

Schoonertrash wrote:

Took me 30 years to see the first one then I saw three within a couple of
weeks. I did learn a trick for seeing them more often and for sure with
more clarity. Use the binoculars. Still need the same clear horizon but
you see the green line forming along the top edge and then all of a sudden
it sort of withdraws upon itself to the top dead center of the sun's disc
and then sort of disappears. Lasts a splitsecond but you can see it better
that way. I didn't count the times with the bino's or the 20X Big Eyes
though.

As for Hazelwood he was asleep in his cabin at the time whichis wear most
Master's would be. The watches are run by the mates: Chief, 2nd and 3rd or
sometimes 2nd and two 3rd Mates. What he had to drink the night before was
irrelevent. What was relevent was the experience of the mate on watch, the
times that mate had transited the same area, standing operational
procedures, orders in the 'night book' and the experience level of the
helmsman. Even though it ended up with the mate being clearly at fault and
the helmsman trying to turn the rudder 'thinking' he was in hand steering
but actually was in autopilot. .. the Master is at all times responsible for
everything that happens on his/her vessel. That's the pitfall of getting a
license. Doesn't matter if you have a two ton sailboat tied up to a dock.
The senior license holder is always responsible.

Funny thing was up until then Exxon had the best record of any company
shipping tankers. They hired all the honor graduates from the academies and
then made them work deckplate before they could be ship's officers. Bad as
it was the whole episode was only what 40th plus in terms of barrels of oil
spilled. Well the new rules are emplace and we get to follow them . .. .
.shame it doesn't hold true for most foreign flag ships. Kinda like
Charley Tuna in American Samoa. The US canning plants buy from all
comers.....including the foreign vessels that net, and process and take
home, the dolphins etc.

OK time to bag it for the night. . . long day tomorrow.

MST

Green flash at totality
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
You look at the sun through binoculars????????????/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Do you really think that he does?


I don't!




Regards


Donal
--

Green flash at totality
 

Certainly if you have good ones. Our "Big Eyes" 20X for example has a series
of filters for doing just that. With the relative bearing disc below it's
how you measure for amplitude besides using the alidade.

MST

Green flash at totality
 

and then of course the obvious answer is you aren't looking at the sun when
it's green flash time. It only appears when the very uppermost portion of
the disc meets the horizon. As for binoculars you have to use good ones.
Fujinon, Steiner's and so forth. Your two for $19.95 Bargain Basement
Bushnells aren't gonna cut it. They are however useful for 'guests'.

But ya'll knew that right?

MST

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Your two for $19.95 Bargain Basement
Bushnells aren't gonna cut it. They are however useful for 'guests'.

You must hate your guests. We have older Fujinon mariners and regular Nikons
standing by for "guests."

RB

Green flash at totality
 

Rick wrote in message ink.net...
Simple Simon wrote:

But, if I recall correctly, Cousins was at the helm because
Hazelwood was passed out drunk. Well the blame should
be on the captain's shoulders. Navigating through a reef
should not have been taken so lightly by a real captain.

As usual you don't recall squat correctly so you might be better off to
just stop pretending like you know anything about the industry. You look
even more stupid, if that is possible. You are an offense to those of us
who actually do what you puff and posture about.

Hazlewood is still a thousand times the seaman and master that you could
hope to be if you sailed for a thousand years.

This is a good time for you to just shut up.

Rick

I hear Hazlewood sued exxon and won many millions of dollars.

I know whenever I was in any type of channel, or in an area that you
could run aground I was on the wheel or standing next to the person
that was, hang over or not. **** rolls uphill on a ship.

Mates are for open water IMO.

Joe

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you got that right! A lot of changes since then. STCW is just one of them.
I've yet to see a ship's Master not on the bridge during any sort of harbor
entrance, canal transit, or going up and down rivers. The mate on watch is
also there but except for a qualified Chief or perhaps a 2nd Mate they are
there to assist and learn. Switch to the unlicensed personnel. It doesn't
matter how much experience an AB has if they haven't done the STCW
qualifications they don't get to drive. Makes sense if you think of an AB
who has been working deck and holds in MSC for many years and hasn't been
near a wheelhouse. They can be an AB Unlimited but aren't experienced.
Masters and Chief Mates always check the work history. Snaking up to
Savannah or in the Mississippi I had the unique experience of being paired
with an AB Unlimited who did not have the STCW endorsement. He also held a
3rd Mates ticket. But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight in
the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who has
a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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Joe wrote:




I hear Hazlewood sued exxon and won many millions of dollars.

Believe this may be correct, but sum was kept confidential. Lawsuit may
have been because Exxon threw him to the "dogs", as a sacrificial bone.

I know whenever I was in any type of channel, or in an area that you
could run aground I was on the wheel or standing next to the person
that was, hang over or not. **** rolls uphill on a ship.

Mates are for open water IMO.

Joe

Depends on the conditions. In the area that the Valdez was navigating,
any competent 3M should have been capable of doing the necessary
navigation. My problem was/is that the ship had to maneuver for ice and
the Captain should have been there for that reason alone, until clear.
When making the transit from Hinchinbrook to the pilot station or vice
versa, I'd be on the bridge, but the Mate would be in control, unless we
were navigating ice or picking up/ letting off the pilot.
BG That's what Mates are paid for, and remember, there's a difference
between being on the bridge and being in control of the bridge.

otn

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I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..
But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight
in
the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who
has
a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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Sure, but remember, the new rules allow the Captain to be armed and
shoot incompetent helmsmen who deviate more than 0.25 degrees from the
ordered course.

Scott Vernon wrote:

I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..

But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real tight

in

the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who

has

a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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not to worry, he's shootin blanks. Anyways, I'd simply steer into a fog
bank then run him over.
;)

SV


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...
Sure, but remember, the new rules allow the Captain to be armed and
shoot incompetent helmsmen who deviate more than 0.25 degrees from the
ordered course.

Scott Vernon wrote:

I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

Scotty


"Schoonertrash" wrote ..

But like a car license with no motorcycle endorsement he
did not get to touch the wheel. After Exxon Valdez things got real
tight

in

the industry and for good reason. The last thing we want is someone who

has

a piece of paper but no experience out causing difficulties. Real life
is
not a take home open book exam.

MST

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I've got the motorcycle endorsement on my license. Can I steer a tanker?

You have been...a 30 foot sloop filled with crap!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB