All the so-called professional captains continue to embarrass themselves
by refusing to read and understand the COLREGS. They show their stupidity
as well by not understanding the definition of a motor boat.

Fact: any aux/sailboat when its motor is running, no matter whether it
has sails up or not, is a motor boat according to the Rules.

This means that a 25GT Master of Steam or Motor Vessels Near Coastal
does not need a sail endorsement to carry passengers for hire unless and
until the motor is turned off and the vessel is operating under sail alone.

Even then it's a gray area because all one need do is keep the steaming
cone up and you are still considered a motor boat by any and all vessels
you may happen to come across. The simple act of displaying the cone
makes your Master of Steam or Motor Vessels license all that is needed
to be legal. The cone makes you a motor boat. The only time you cannot
be a motor boat is if you have no motor installed. Then flying the cone
is not legal because it's a lie. The Master of the vessel is the person
who decides if his aux/sail vessel is a sailboat or a motorboat and
not the courts and not the Coast Guard. Just to make the case 100
percent watertight all the Master need do is just keep the motor
turning over at an idle and there is no lie. Everything is on the up
and up according to the definitions in the Rules. No court in the
land can decide any different without misinterpreting the Rules.

Rick is clearly an idiot and so is Shen44 and otn if they fail to
see these simple facts that represent the truth the whole truth
and nothing but the truth. Rick wrote: "You are NOT a master of
sailboats of any sort. You are not a professional sailor."

Wrong! I am Master of an aux/sailboat because an aux sailboat
with the motor running is a motorboat and a motorboat license if
appropriate for its operation.

Rick further embarrassed himself by writing the following gem:
"The funny part is that Nil hangs all his claims to fame and status on
being a sailor of sailboats and loudly and continually condemns all
powerboaters as some sort of subspecies."

Wrong again! I have always maintained that I studied for and
obtained a Masters license mostly for the knowledge gained and
not to make a living with it. It allows me to legally do a little
work on the side in BOTH my aux/sailboat and my Boston Whaler.
It also allows me to keep honest you ego cases who live and breath
motorboats only. You just hate the fact that a single-handed
sailor who lives aboard and actually goes places knows as much
as you do and passed the same tests you took probably with
better scores to boot.


S.Simon

Master of Steam or Motor Vessels of not more than 25GT
upon Near Coastal Waters, also Operator of Uninspected
Passenger Vessels upon Near Coastal Waters not to exceed
100 miles offshore.

Simple Simon wrote:

The cone makes you a motor boat.

If I wear a fake alien mask, does that make me an alien?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Aliens are not defined by the COLREGS like motor vessels
and sail boats are. Your question is non sequitur.

Under the COLREGS, vessels are identified by lights and
shapes. A vessel showing three red lights in vertical row, for
example identifies itself as a CBD. A vessel showing a
red/white/red in a row one atop the other is a RAM and
so on.

In the same manner, an aux/sailboat showing a steaming light
by night and a cone by day identifies itself as a motorboat. It
matters not if the sails are providing the propulsion. As long as
there is machinery operating it's legally a motorboat according
to the Rules.

Why is this simple fact so hard for you knuckle heads to grasp?

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...
Simple Simon wrote:

The cone makes you a motor boat.

If I wear a fake alien mask, does that make me an alien?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Simple Simon wrote:

In the same manner, an aux/sailboat showing a steaming light
by night and a cone by day identifies itself as a motorboat. It
matters not if the sails are providing the propulsion. As long as
there is machinery operating it's legally a motorboat according
to the Rules.

Then it isn't the cone that makes it a motorboat, but the motor. Were one to
argue otherwise, then putting a cone on a pure sailboat would turn it into a
motorboat.


Why is this simple fact so hard for you knuckle heads to grasp?

I'm not a knucklehead, I'm an alien, and I have the rubber mask to prove it.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Simple Simon whiningly begged:

Why is this simple fact so hard for me to grasp?

Because you are inherently, irretrievably, hopelessly and terminally
stupid.

You are so ignorant as to be a hazard to navigation and made to notify
the Coast Guard so they can issue a Notice To Mariners and a Marine
Safety Broadcast whenever you slip your mooring.

Rick

We have no problem grasping the difference between a motorboat and a
sailboat. YOU, on the other hand, have a total problem with the
difference between COLREGS and licensing.

otn


Simple Simon wrote:

Aliens are not defined by the COLREGS like motor vessels
and sail boats are. Your question is non sequitur.

Under the COLREGS, vessels are identified by lights and
shapes. A vessel showing three red lights in vertical row, for
example identifies itself as a CBD. A vessel showing a
red/white/red in a row one atop the other is a RAM and
so on.

In the same manner, an aux/sailboat showing a steaming light
by night and a cone by day identifies itself as a motorboat. It
matters not if the sails are providing the propulsion. As long as
there is machinery operating it's legally a motorboat according
to the Rules.

Why is this simple fact so hard for you knuckle heads to grasp?

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...

Simple Simon wrote:


The cone makes you a motor boat.

If I wear a fake alien mask, does that make me an alien?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

One is licensed so one can operate the various types of vessels
defined in the COLREGS. That makes the COLREGS an integral
part of the use of said licenses. One is tested on one's knowledge
of the COLREGS and NOT on some other set of Rules or regulations.

Don't try to tell me the COLREGS have nothing to do with licenses.
The COLREGS have everything to do with licenses. License endorsements
such as a sail endorsement are based on testing for knowledge in
those areas but the tests still rely in large part on knowledge of
the COLREGS.

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...
We have no problem grasping the difference between a motorboat and a
sailboat. YOU, on the other hand, have a total problem with the
difference between COLREGS and licensing.

otn


Simple Simon wrote:

Aliens are not defined by the COLREGS like motor vessels
and sail boats are. Your question is non sequitur.

Under the COLREGS, vessels are identified by lights and
shapes. A vessel showing three red lights in vertical row, for
example identifies itself as a CBD. A vessel showing a
red/white/red in a row one atop the other is a RAM and
so on.

In the same manner, an aux/sailboat showing a steaming light
by night and a cone by day identifies itself as a motorboat. It
matters not if the sails are providing the propulsion. As long as
there is machinery operating it's legally a motorboat according
to the Rules.

Why is this simple fact so hard for you knuckle heads to grasp?

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...

Simple Simon wrote:


The cone makes you a motor boat.

If I wear a fake alien mask, does that make me an alien?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
One is licensed so one can operate the various types of vessels
defined in the COLREGS. That makes the COLREGS an integral
part of the use of said licenses.

This comment is so far off that it casts serious doubt on whether you actually hold a
license. Licenses are issued for various classes of boats listed in 46CFR, not the
ColRegs. There is no connection.

One is tested on one's knowledge
of the COLREGS and NOT on some other set of Rules or regulations.


Now you're actually admitting that you didn't take all the tests! Amazing! Although
one is not required to memorize the various parts of the CFR, they are part of the test.
One should be familiar enough with 46CFR to quickly find the answer to any questions.
These are the regulations that govern ones behavior as a licensed Master.

Don't try to tell me the COLREGS have nothing to do with licenses.
The COLREGS have everything to do with licenses.

The test covering the ColRegs is one of 4 tests. It has a reputation as being hard
because its closed book, but people have just as much trouble with the other tests.

License endorsements
such as a sail endorsement are based on testing for knowledge in
those areas but the tests still rely in large part on knowledge of
the COLREGS.

Wrong. You'd know this if you had taken the test.

Simple Simon wrote:
One is licensed so one can operate the various types of vessels
defined in the COLREGS. That makes the COLREGS an integral
part of the use of said licenses.

Don't try to tell me the COLREGS have nothing to do with licenses.
The COLREGS have everything to do with licenses.

So now you are trying to pull an insanity defense, right.

Won't work, Nil, you just keep making yourself look even worse and even
more ignorant - as if that were possible!

Bwahahahahahahaahahah What a panic stricken loser wannabe ...


Rick

ROFL Comments interspersed:

Simple Simon wrote:

One is licensed so one can operate the various types of vessels
defined in the COLREGS. That makes the COLREGS an integral
part of the use of said licenses. One is tested on one's knowledge
of the COLREGS and NOT on some other set of Rules or regulations.

One is tested on ones knowledge of the COLREGS, for any license, but the
requirements for any license are totally separate from COLREGS and in
no way dependent or related, there too.

Don't try to tell me the COLREGS have nothing to do with licenses.
The COLREGS have everything to do with licenses. License endorsements
such as a sail endorsement are based on testing for knowledge in
those areas but the tests still rely in large part on knowledge of
the COLREGS.

COLREGS are only one part of the test ( obviously a part you still have
a problem with). The COLREGS, do not determine what ANY governing body
will class as requirements for different grades of license.

ROFL You're beginning to sound like some rabbit, running scared,
because even YOUR simple brain can realize you're walking on thin ice.

otn


HEY Isn't it past your normal bedtime???? ROFLMAO You must be REALLY
running scared !!!!