What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Simple Simon wrote:

Some really weird stuff again. Smacks of his COLREGS fantasies.

Did you read what you wrote, Nil?

What are you calling that trailerboat you can't afford to put in a marina?

Tell us the difference between sail and auxiliary sail.

Take your time, it isn't easy for you, we know. And try to keep your
response less than 200 lines and more than your little "I'm having a
hissy fit" whiny graphic ...

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaahah Nil is getting whacked again.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing. Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

You definitely have reading comprehension problems.

If you cannot figure out the differenced between
sail and aux/sail from my post it means you are
just a hopeless case.

S.Simon


"Rick" wrote in message nk.net...
Simple Simon wrote:

Some really weird stuff again. Smacks of his COLREGS fantasies.

Did you read what you wrote, Nil?

What are you calling that trailerboat you can't afford to put in a marina?

Tell us the difference between sail and auxiliary sail.

Take your time, it isn't easy for you, we know. And try to keep your
response less than 200 lines and more than your little "I'm having a
hissy fit" whiny graphic ...

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaahah Nil is getting whacked again.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Read the Colregs, Trash! Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it. What do you
think is the purpose of displaying the upside-down cone when
the sails are up and the motor is on? It means you are a motor
boat by the Rules. I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing. Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Simple Simon wrote:

Read the Colregs, Trash!

Bwahahahahahahahahahha

You just can't get past those COLREGS can you Nil? They just keep coming
back to bite your old ass ... try using the COLREGS as an excuse for not
having a sail or aux sail endorsement on your tiny little toy ticket.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Busted!

Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it.

I find it hard to believe you write this stuff and actually post it!

You aren't thicker than 2 short planks, you are thicker than 3!

I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

Tell it to the Coasties, they need a laugh once in a while too.

Do you even know what a sailboat or an auxiliary sailboat is? It doesn't
appear that you have reached that level of nautical knowledge yet.

Bwahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah "Captain" indeed ... You aren't
even master of your own fantasies, Nil.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah just another internet wannabe whose
mouth is bigger than his boat.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Is the machinery called a way back machine??

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Read the Colregs, Trash! Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it. What do you
think is the purpose of displaying the upside-down cone when
the sails are up and the motor is on? It means you are a motor
boat by the Rules. I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real.
Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of
having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing.
Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is
the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending
outcome
of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense
of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are
stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if
you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely
on
the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you
can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not
practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking
written
tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500
ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an
opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need
a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement
you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow.
However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are
still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's
a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Is the machinery called a way back machine??

I think Nil is in desperate need of "way back machine."

He sticks his scrawny neck so far out on his ingorant tirades that he
will never find his "way back" no matter how much he backpedals, posts
little graphical hissy fits, changes his terms, or claims he said
something else.

I think Nil is so far "at sea" on this one he will probably submit it as
sailing time for renewing his motorboat license.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

G Think the term normally used, is "take home".

I love reading this argument, from Neal ....would love to be a fly on
the bulkhead, the day one of Uncle Sammie's CGers stop him.

otn

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Is the machinery called a way back machine??

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Read the Colregs, Trash! Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it. What do you
think is the purpose of displaying the upside-down cone when
the sails are up and the motor is on? It means you are a motor
boat by the Rules. I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message

...

Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real.

Yes,

you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of

having

sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing.

Plenty of

probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is

the

USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending

outcome

of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense

of

humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are

stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if

you

are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely

on

the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you

can

tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not

practical)

and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking

written

tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500

ton

license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an

opening

for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need

a

license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement

you

are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow.

However

if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are

still

liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's

a

two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Seeing Neal's arguments is a good way to help understand some of the methods
lawyers use to develope arguments ..... keep it on the edge of truth and
possibly over the heads of the majority of the jury.
Neal, you could probably get away with your arguments, except for the fact,
that there are enough of us here who understand the license process and
requirements ..... how's that renewal coming?

Shen

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Shen44 wrote:

..... how's that renewal coming?

This is one of those times I really wish there was an essay requirement
for renewals.

Picture the Coasties at the REC huddled around Nil's paper, trying to
contain their laughter and glancing back over their shoulders to see
what kind of applicants make it into the office these days.

If any of them took Nil seriously - they - would have the blood pressure
problems! As it is I suppose they could use a little comic relief and
you have to admit, Nil's interpretations of the regs provides a good
dose of that.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

What makes you think the ColRegs have anything with the licensing regulations? This makes as much
sense as using Webster's as the reference for nautical terminology (some you do frequently).

There is no reference to licensing in the ColRegs, not is there any mention of the ColRegs in the
licensing regs, other than comments that one will be tested on their knowledge of the ColRegs. The
Inland version of the ColRegs, and other associated regulations are in 33CFR, while the licensing
regs are all in 46CFR.

A quick scan of 46CFR10 (The Code of Federal Regulations, Title 46 [Shipping] Part 10 [Licensing or
Maritime Personnel]) reveals that the phase "sail, or sail auxiliary" is used many times.

Here's an example, perhaps the one that would apply to Neal:

Sec. 10.454 Service requirements for mate of Great Lakes and inland
steam or motor vessels of not more than 200 gross tons.

(a) The minimum service required to qualify an applicant for a
license as mate of Great Lakes and inland steam or motor vessels of not
more than 200 gross tons is six months of service in the deck department
of steam or motor, sail, or auxiliary sail vessels. To obtain authority
to serve on the Great Lakes, three months of the required service must
have been on Great Lakes waters, otherwise the license will be limited
to the inland waters of the United States (excluding the Great Lakes).
(b) In order to obtain an endorsement on this license for sail or
auxiliary sail vessels, the applicant must submit evidence of three months of service
on sail or auxiliary sail vessels.

Its pretty clear that the "auxiliary sail" endorsement is what would apply to most of our vessels.
Unfortunately, the CFR never formally defines "auxiliary sail," but the do "include by reference"
the ABYC definitions, which I believe are quite clear.

So, Neal, you may be able to claim that if you never raise the sail, you are a powerboat. But with
the sail up you are either a sail, or auxiliary sail, neither of which are you licensed for.

--
-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Read the Colregs, Trash! Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it. What do you
think is the purpose of displaying the upside-down cone when
the sails are up and the motor is on? It means you are a motor
boat by the Rules. I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing. Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing.

What about my Motor Sailing vessel? What if the sail are not pushing?




Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation.

SOP

You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.


True



In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade.




100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement,

100 tons are pratical without any endorsements. I ran a many 100 ton
crew boats without any other endorsements. And I knew many many others
doing the same. We all knew how to run on pure radar at high speeds
yet felt no desire or need to get a radar endorsement. Compaines did
not pay you any more for endorsements unless you where delivering
vessels via deep water routes.




with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

We call it a any oceans endorsement



What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests.

Yes that is so true! It's a licence to learn.




Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners.

Big deal, question in the CFR is mostly open book.




On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.


Sounds like the offshore industry is booming again, make hay while the
sun shines!


Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?


Dumb question coming from someone that is making a living at sea. You
should value and show respect for knowledge.

Most do not have a clue, and could care less.




Cheers and fair winds

Same to you Mike. Sounds like your getting some serious deep water
time, aint nothing like it is there?

Joe
MSV RedCloud


MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Jeff Morris questioned Nil:

What makes you think the ColRegs have anything with the licensing regulations?

Because Nil thinks differently. Nil doesn't need no stinkin' regulations
cause he is a captain on the internet.

Nil doesn't know that a sailboat like his, a trailerboat with an
outboard is a sailboat. It is a sailboat with an auxiliary engine. If he
could afford a real cruising sailboat with an inboard it would be an
auxiliary sailboat, a sailboat no matter what he is doing with it.

Either way he isn't certified to operate either one for hire in any
circumstance, sails up or down, motoring or not. He is not a licensed
sailor! He is not a master of sailing vessels. He is just another
motorboat operator.

Once more Nil has shown us his stuff and it ain't much ....

Bwahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahah Nil, an internet wannabe who now
fantasies that someone might hack into his old beater computer.

It would be an ironic justice for some crook to steal Nil's identity, no
need for further punishment.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

snip

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?


Dumb question coming from someone that is making a living at sea. You
should value and show respect for knowledge.

G In Neal's case, not really a dumb question.
To the best of our knowledge, he has never legally used the license, which is
one that was designed to get a foot in the door, for someone with minimal
experience.
If you have a license and make no use of it, it is just a piece of wallpaper.
Admittedly, in many cases, just looking at the license will give a good
indication of what type of experience, someone has had, and for that you should
show some respect for time spent, at least.

Shen

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

The real question on renewal is the minimum days per year of required usage
of the original license. Besides having the owner of the boat (himself)
sign off on a small boat form how's he going to get by that requirement?

I know I have to bust my rear to find boats to go out on every available
opportunity and will still have to do a lot sailing towards the end. For
someone who doesn't go anywhere it must be turri-bull hard! At the present
rate I'm only averaging about 30 days per year. Most of the time I'm out at
sea and can't be on another vessel. Although some of my big ship time does,
I'm told, count here and there. I think the requirement for renewal is 45
days per year or 225 days total out of five years. Not close yet but I'm
almost thinking it would be easier to do the 200 ton upgrade and start the
clock ticking all over again.

Just wondering . . . .

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Shen44 wrote:

G In Neal's case, not really a dumb question.

The funny part is that Nil hangs all his claims to fame and status on
being a sailor of sailboats and loudly and continually condemns all
powerboaters as some sort of subspecies.

He has never made any claim of powerboating experience other than
motoring his dinghy ashore from his engine block mooring in some swamp.
That begs the question of how he got his time for the license and why
does he not have a sail/auxiliary sail endorsement?

Nil is being uncharacteristically quiet since he spat out that last
silly post about the COLREGS being relevant to licensing and some other
nonsense about sailboats. Since he is obviously not a master of
sailboats I suppose he is laying low hoping we will all forget.

Maybe someone will loan him a hundred bucks so he can take a sailboat
endorsement course. That will come in handy for him next time the CG
offers him a teaching position ... bwahahahahaahahahahah

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

I'm not sure what your license is, but I should think that ALL of your
ship time should count.
To the best of my knowledge, once you have the license, where renewals
are concerned, for ease of renewal you need to show active time at sea
..... this does not necessarily mean time "in grade". The only thing you
need that for is to upgrade to a higher tonnage.
For instance, with my Master license, if I needed to show time, on the
license, I'd be in trouble, as I don't really use that part anymore, I
use the Pilot part.
As always, check with the OMI which holds your paperwork.

Schoonertrash wrote:
The real question on renewal is the minimum days per year of required usage
of the original license. Besides having the owner of the boat (himself)
sign off on a small boat form how's he going to get by that requirement?

I know I have to bust my rear to find boats to go out on every available
opportunity and will still have to do a lot sailing towards the end. For
someone who doesn't go anywhere it must be turri-bull hard! At the present
rate I'm only averaging about 30 days per year. Most of the time I'm out at
sea and can't be on another vessel. Although some of my big ship time does,
I'm told, count here and there. I think the requirement for renewal is 45
days per year or 225 days total out of five years. Not close yet but I'm
almost thinking it would be easier to do the 200 ton upgrade and start the
clock ticking all over again.

Just wondering . . . .

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.

Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Simple Simon wrote:

There is a professional mariner here by the name of Rick
who maintains a Master's license is not worthwhile to have
for one who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat.

Never said any such thing, Nil. I very specifically stated that *your*
toy license does not cover a sailboat.

It does not matter a whit whether you live on it or even sail it with a
broken boom. You, Nil, are not certified by the USCG as being competent
to carry paying passengers or to operate a sail vessel for hire. You are
NOT a master of sailboats of any sort. You are not a professional sailor.

You ARE an internet wannabe though.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

You have to have been around a goodly number of years to understand the
sequence. The next step is to proclaim the whole thread was a way of
'teaching' and put in such terms as to find out if anyone 'knew' or
'understood' the correct answer and that was the intent the entire time.
After that it digresses into support from alter ego's. Neal has been
correct in only two areas . .to the best of my knowledge. Katy, Haggie,
Scotty and some others may know of more. One is he actually does have a 100
ton license (New Orelans REC if I recall correctly). I think he can easily
figure out the other area where he was far more right than I. Gotta give
credit where it's due.

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Schoonertrash wrote:

You have to have been around a goodly number of years ...

I am glad you didn't write "ungodly number of years" 8-)

One is he actually does have a 100 ton license ...

Last time I recall he mentioned anything about it, it was a 25-ton
motorboat ticket.

I don't think that will cover membership in the Council of Master
Mariners in any event.

The next step is to proclaim the whole thread was a way of
'teaching'

He has either trashed his computer trying to protect himself from
hackers or is busy trying to google a way out but either way his silence
is amusing in itself.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

The initial license is for 25tons when you only have time on a boat less
than 6 tons in size. There was something in there about an automatic raise
to 50 and 100 every six months when I did the course. Probably what I was
thinking about. I think, now that you mention it, it isn't automatic but
you have to show some sailing (more accurately motoring) time and/or put in
for it.

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Rick wrote:
Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.


Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

You're just jealous because I use as a part-time hobby
that which you use for a living. Your vaunted and valued
Master's license is that easy for anyone to get and this
makes you mad because it makes you realize you have
no real special skills. Why the proof is any old cruising
sailor is as qualified as you are to be licensed to legally
operate a motor vessel. Furthermore said qualification
time can be gained mostly under sail. It's time on the
water that counts - not time on the water under motor
power.

S'matter there Rick?
Galls your gonads just a wee bit?
Why else all the fuss?

Bwahahahahahhahaha!

S.Simon

"Rick" wrote in message ink.net...
otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

In my case, I have plenty enough time on the water in my
sailboat alone. If I decided to brag I could include the
time spend on the Boston Whaler. It would give more
than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five. Try cruising for six
months once in a while and be on the go day in and
day out and the time piles up quickly. Time under sail
and time under motor - it's all time.

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

otnmbrd wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about the license being taken
away. If you just never show up to renew then it expires quietly and you
can do whatever you like with it.

You can lose the authority to use that license if you don't sail or jump
through all the hoops but to lose the license is an administrative thing
and that was never even mentioned to the best of my recollection.

I am not sure if Michael even needs to do anything other than turn in
his discharges to cover his 100 ton ticket anyway. All the CG asks for
is sea time, they don't care what the time is on unless it is for an
upgrade. Mine is tricky since my unlimited ticket is engine and my toy
ticket is deck ... though like I said they will count some unlimited
time spent "observing" on the bridge.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Comments interspersed:

Simple Simon wrote:

In my case, I have plenty enough time on the water in my
sailboat alone.

You may have, though I'd possibly argue it's validity.
If I decided to brag I could include the
time spend on the Boston Whaler.

Not worth the powder to blow it to hell.
It would give more
than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five.

Any USCG accepting this time, would need an exam for basic intelligence.
Try cruising for six
months once in a while and be on the go day in and
day out and the time piles up quickly.

ROFL You forget, wannabe, I used to do this for a living. For me, 6
months was no big deal.
Time under sail
and time under motor - it's all time.

Nope

otn





S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

This was what I was asking, and I said the same thing....ALL his time
counts, where his license is concerned and he should not have a problem
with renewal, if he has "deepsea" time.
Thought maybe he thought he would lose it.

otn

Rick wrote:

otnmbrd wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have
an incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.


I don't recall anyone saying anything about the license being taken
away. If you just never show up to renew then it expires quietly and you
can do whatever you like with it.

You can lose the authority to use that license if you don't sail or jump
through all the hoops but to lose the license is an administrative thing
and that was never even mentioned to the best of my recollection.

I am not sure if Michael even needs to do anything other than turn in
his discharges to cover his 100 ton ticket anyway. All the CG asks for
is sea time, they don't care what the time is on unless it is for an
upgrade. Mine is tricky since my unlimited ticket is engine and my toy
ticket is deck ... though like I said they will count some unlimited
time spent "observing" on the bridge.

Rick

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

That's not true if he's kept a proper log.

Cheers MC

otnmbrd wrote:


You may have, though I'd possibly argue it's validity.
If I decided to brag I could include the

time spend on the Boston Whaler.


Not worth the powder to blow it to hell.
It would give more

than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five.

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

The_navigator© wrote:

That's not true if he's kept a proper log.

Cheers MC


Very true, if we are talking about his 25 ton license .... not sure, but
doubtful for his oupv.

otn

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Subject: What a USCG Master's license is good for?
From: "Simple Simon"


You're just jealous because I use as a part-time hobby
that which you use for a living. Your vaunted and valued
Master's license is that easy for anyone to get and this
makes you mad because it makes you realize you have
no real special skills.

ROFL .... If it's so easy, why don't you have one?

Why the proof is any old cruising
sailor is as qualified as you are to be licensed to legally
operate a motor vessel. Furthermore said qualification
time can be gained mostly under sail. It's time on the
water that counts - not time on the water under motor
power.

Now you tell me .... all that time sailing, as a kid ..... I shoulda skipped
school and gone directly to the examiner

Shen

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.


Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Who needs it, me and my pals can dock the Exxon Valdex at City Island,
except my best friend Hazelwood ruined the boat.

Your Leader
RB



Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

Following the website lead Rick provided I found I can tie up reasonably
close to a school, upgrade to 200 ton and Oceans with a minimum of fuss.
One choice of course is in Seattle with a prep course and an on site USCG
test. The other I found is in Florida where everything is done at the
school. Full boat deal including radar, towing and advanced firefighting,
perhaps also GMDSS requires no more than a month. I'm sure there are more.
You were right that my current time counts. The weekend work I'm doing now
and did up in Virginia works in there. The only question is if the new
license will be 200 Ton Master or 100 Ton Master and 200 Ton Mate. Either
way with the full 'Oceans' designation I will move from the many to the few
who are legally able to deliver boats over 150 miles offshore. With the
more expensive yachts that's a major plus and solves a big insurance problem
for them. Above that level, especially 1600 tons and above the STCW
requirements hit you full force. That's more like 8 plus weeks but for 1600
and above it's not just worth it, it's mandatory. Two more things. It
appears the coasties MAY be phasing out 200 and keeping 500 ton licenses.
Second, a lot of what you get on a license depends on which REC you use.
Appy at Long Beach and its pretty much a screw job. The best I've found so
far are Boston and Portland, OR especially the latter. They all recommend
applying in this manner: Review and award all endorsements and levels for
my documentation and license for which I have qualified. If you want
something very specific, for example, AB Sail listed along with AB Limited
you can still ask for it. What are licenses good for? Well, in the
Chesapeake doing pick up work here and there I made double my tuition and
school costs back. Here's two funjobs. Catalina Island company driving the
glass bottom boat for the tourist trade or Laughlin NV driving the taxi boat
across the river from AZ. Jobs are where you find them and what you make of
them. I suspect bringing boats back from places like Mexico, Hawaii, or
even the Bahamas for those that didn't make it past a one way attempt is
another source. The major reason I found for going through the training was
it smoothed out the dips and bumps in my abilities. But having gained the
knowledge . . .the next step is to use the knowledge. Since the US doesn't
have anything approaching the Competency Certifications as do, say the
British, getting a 100 ton license is the best thing available.

Cheers and fair winds

MST

What a USCG Master's license is good for?
 

What's ''REC?



Sweet Jesus.

RB