Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.

Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Rick wrote:
Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.


Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

In my case, I have plenty enough time on the water in my
sailboat alone. If I decided to brag I could include the
time spend on the Boston Whaler. It would give more
than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five. Try cruising for six
months once in a while and be on the go day in and
day out and the time piles up quickly. Time under sail
and time under motor - it's all time.

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

Comments interspersed:

Simple Simon wrote:

In my case, I have plenty enough time on the water in my
sailboat alone.

You may have, though I'd possibly argue it's validity.
If I decided to brag I could include the
time spend on the Boston Whaler.

Not worth the powder to blow it to hell.
It would give more
than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five.

Any USCG accepting this time, would need an exam for basic intelligence.
Try cruising for six
months once in a while and be on the go day in and
day out and the time piles up quickly.

ROFL You forget, wannabe, I used to do this for a living. For me, 6
months was no big deal.
Time under sail
and time under motor - it's all time.

Nope

otn





S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

That's not true if he's kept a proper log.

Cheers MC

otnmbrd wrote:


You may have, though I'd possibly argue it's validity.
If I decided to brag I could include the

time spend on the Boston Whaler.


Not worth the powder to blow it to hell.
It would give more

than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five.

otnmbrd wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about the license being taken
away. If you just never show up to renew then it expires quietly and you
can do whatever you like with it.

You can lose the authority to use that license if you don't sail or jump
through all the hoops but to lose the license is an administrative thing
and that was never even mentioned to the best of my recollection.

I am not sure if Michael even needs to do anything other than turn in
his discharges to cover his 100 ton ticket anyway. All the CG asks for
is sea time, they don't care what the time is on unless it is for an
upgrade. Mine is tricky since my unlimited ticket is engine and my toy
ticket is deck ... though like I said they will count some unlimited
time spent "observing" on the bridge.

Rick

This was what I was asking, and I said the same thing....ALL his time
counts, where his license is concerned and he should not have a problem
with renewal, if he has "deepsea" time.
Thought maybe he thought he would lose it.

otn

Rick wrote:

otnmbrd wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have
an incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.


I don't recall anyone saying anything about the license being taken
away. If you just never show up to renew then it expires quietly and you
can do whatever you like with it.

You can lose the authority to use that license if you don't sail or jump
through all the hoops but to lose the license is an administrative thing
and that was never even mentioned to the best of my recollection.

I am not sure if Michael even needs to do anything other than turn in
his discharges to cover his 100 ton ticket anyway. All the CG asks for
is sea time, they don't care what the time is on unless it is for an
upgrade. Mine is tricky since my unlimited ticket is engine and my toy
ticket is deck ... though like I said they will count some unlimited
time spent "observing" on the bridge.

Rick

otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick